Canadian Price Increase Imminent

[sitter_k]

Brampton is a strange city. I've lived there most of my life. When I moved there, it was still a "town" and the population was around 18,000. It's now well over 500,000 and has just turned into a sprawling mess of subdivisions and strip malls. I live in one of the "older" areas that is well established and still quite nice. Mississauga is much the same. There used to be nice little towns like Streetsville and Port Credit, but they all got amalgamated together, and the subdivision/strip mall pox crept in there too. There are very nice areas in Mississauga and then there are the areas of urban sprawl, just like Brampton. I think this is an artifact of being so close to Toronto. Brampton and Mississauga have no real identities of their own and are largely "bedroom towns". When our kids went to college at Western in London, I was always amazed at how London, a city smaller than Brampton, actually seemed like a nice city with a proper downtown, amenities and an identity as a city.

What you don't like downtown Brampton? lol
I live just on the boarder of Brampton in Caledon but used to live in Mississauga near sq 1 in a condo. I think the biggest difference btw Mississauga and Brampton is that the middle class is really getting hollowed out in Brampton now. Take a drive from the 410 to Main on Queen and count how many cheque cashing/pay day loan, cash for gold, and pawn shops. Mississauga has some of these areas too but to a lesser degree. Mississauga also has a higher density living in middle to high priced condos. Of course you can find beautiful homes in Brampton as well in the North but they're not as prevalent or dense as Mississauga.

 

[SmartElectric]

I'd try selling you on my cruise right about now, but it doesn't work with the ED. By the time the ED came out, demand for the car (and therefore my cruise) dropped too low to justify retooling

Given that most Smart ED drivers cover less than 50km per day, and only 150 km at absolute maximum before a recharge, I'd say you made the prudent decision there!
Not much use for cruise control on a city car, which is what the Smart ED is marketed as.

 

[iKhalid]

What you don't like downtown Brampton? lol
I live just on the boarder of Brampton in Caledon but used to live in Mississauga near sq 1 in a condo. I think the biggest difference btw Mississauga and Brampton is that the middle class is really getting hollowed out in Brampton now. Take a drive from the 410 to Main on Queen and count how many cheque cashing/pay day loan, cash for gold, and pawn shops. Mississauga has some of these areas too but to a lesser degree. Mississauga also has a higher density living in middle to high priced condos. Of course you can find beautiful homes in Brampton as well in the North but they're not as prevalent or dense as Mississauga.

One thing I noticed when I was searching for a place in the GTA is a condition put by property owners, which is "this property is for a single family". At first I was wondering what that means or why it's there, but now I know exactly why it's there. No wonder why a small area in the GTA is so dense. I lived in 4 cities in 3 different provinces and never seen this issue before.

 

[bcsteeve]

Given that most Smart ED drivers cover less than 50km per day, and only 150 km at absolute maximum before a recharge, I'd say you made the prudent decision there!
Not much use for cruise control on a city car, which is what the Smart ED is marketed as.

You would be surprised then, as a week rarely goes by that an ED owner doesn't email me asking. But I have to produce 1000 at a time at least, and that is a lot of weeks

 

[Steph_S]

I'm fairly confident - Price increase coming on Monday August 10, 2015.

 

[f-stop]

I'm fairly confident - Price increase coming on Monday August 10, 2015.

ouch! it's true.
It's 12:30am PST Monday 10th as I write this, and I see in the design studio the particular 70D config I was thinking of has gone up $6700, or just a hair under 7%

 

[hingisfan]

Yup....and an 85 is now $12,400 more than a 70, RWD or AWD.

All options, colours, wheels, and roof are bumped up as well.

70D with only next gen seats selected is $99,900...fully optioned car is $177,500....yikes!

 

[Ladoe00]

Thanks a lot guys for posting this! I'm so glad I'm reading those forums religiously. I have cancelled my Model X reservation (#562) and went for a Model S instead to avoid yet another price increase. I've confirmed the order Saturday and my design went up 8000$ this morning. 110k was my psychological threshold and now we're at 120k. Without this thread, I might have passed entirely on a Tesla (S or X).

We are at 15k increase this year (at least for my build), so about a 15% increase in total. Can't the oil price go up again so our dollar gets a boost and people get away from ICE cars?!?! ;-)

 

[wayner]

We are not the only ones - the price went up in Europe as well with around a US$5000 hike.

 

[rapoport3a]

Even though all the prices have gone up between 6 and 7%, most are still slightly under 25% higher than the US$ prices, whereas the CA$ is above 30%. So if Americans can import cars for little or nothing…

 

[wayner]

I doubt it is worth the bother at a 5% differential.

 

[Doug_G]

Even though all the prices have gone up between 6 and 7%, most are still slightly under 25% higher than the US$ prices, whereas the CA$ is above 30%. So if Americans can import cars for little or nothing…

Tesla has to pay the 6.1% import duty when bringing their cars into Canada, because they can't quite make the 55% North American content rule. So the cars are automatically 6.1% more expensive here. It is of course mainly due opto the large content of Japanese batteries in the cars. The Gigafactory will resolve that.

 

[iKhalid]

Now the Model S starts at CA$88,600!

 

[wayner]

The other way to look at it is that those of use owning one have seen the value of our vehicles go up in CAD terms.

 

[bcsteeve]

It didn't go up as much as I was warned... well, worst case, I guess. The owner advisor told me "up to 20%". Still, mine went up 7.6%. I got my order in before the increase, but I think I'm going to cancel. Since placing the deposit, I've read a lot on this forum that busted some myths that I thought were true thank to, well, Elon basically stating it. Auto pilot that isn't really there is the biggest one. And that has me questioning all the other assumptions I made. It made the "perfect car" and the "perfect company" a little less perfect for me, and I wasn't sure I wanted to spend that much on perfect. While this is fully on me, I also managed to misread/misunderstand the warranty details all this time. I thought it was 8yr/unlimited period, not just battery and motor. I have another 48 hours to make up my mind. I might be going on an overnight extended testdrive in 24 hours so that will help.

 

[NeedWatts]

Our sales rep did his best to get us to pull the trigger before the price increase. The single biggest reason we decided against it for now is the whole "Tesla Time" thing. When (if?) they open superchargers are the start and end of the 407 we will revisit whether or not it's time to buy a Model S. Also, pre-paying less now for something now that won't be functional until later should be outlawed.

The sales employees may not work on commission but they must have some sort of bonus system in place. The pressure wasn't exactly like a traditional dealership but it was a close second.

 

[iKhalid]

It didn't go up as much as I was warned... well, worst case, I guess. The owner advisor told me "up to 20%". Still, mine went up 7.6%. I got my order in before the increase, but I think I'm going to cancel. Since placing the deposit, I've read a lot on this forum that busted some myths that I thought were true thank to, well, Elon basically stating it. Auto pilot that isn't really there is the biggest one. And that has me questioning all the other assumptions I made. It made the "perfect car" and the "perfect company" a little less perfect for me, and I wasn't sure I wanted to spend that much on perfect. While this is fully on me, I also managed to misread/misunderstand the warranty details all this time. I thought it was 8yr/unlimited period, not just battery and motor. I have another 48 hours to make up my mind. I might be going on an overnight extended testdrive in 24 hours so that will help.

Yes it not a perfect car. We (classic/pre-autopilot) owners still bought the car when there wasn't even a single supercharger in Canada and before the announcement of the "D" and Autopilot. And we still paid the same price as you would pay right now. Am I rich? No. Do I regret the purchase? No. Would I do it again? Hell yes! Why? Because it's the only car that makes sense to me at this time. FULLY ELECTRIC with reasonable range!

 

[bcsteeve]

I get that. And more than anything I wish there was another full electric car with reasonable range so that the choice wasn't so all-or-nothing. And I appreciate you dropping your dime when the car and infrastructure had less. I wanted the car then, but decided it wasn't worth it for me. With the D and auto-pilot announcement, it appeared perfect. It really bothers me that the announcement doesn't say "in some future world"... he says what the car "can" do, as in right now. No mention of "oh, but just so you know... I'm just talking. None of this is really available. We'll still call it "auto pilot", but it isn't". And it is that mislead that really has me bothered. What else isn't true? OK, how about the constant mention of "10 minute" charges (by the owner advisor guy)? 10 minutes at a SC doesn't get you much, as I later found out. Certainly won't get me to my next charger and absolutely not to home from the closest one. The guy told me the $600/yr ranger fee is optional and has no effect on warranty (leaving me to wonder what the heck it is for) but I see just about everyone saying it is required. Do the dual motors even work? Or is that a "at some point we'll turn them on"? Is it just performance or is there a REAL safety aspect as well, as there should be? Too many questions.


Or maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to not drop this kind of cash on a car, I don't know.

I just don't see how I can be this worried about the purchase and still go through with it.

I think the only thing holding me on to it right now is my wondering if I could make money on it. I have a background in automotive electronics and I usually find some deficiency in cars I own that I can find an improvement for. With some cars (like my smart), the owner base is receptive to that sort of thing while others (like my honda) it is impossible to get owners' attentions because they just don't care about their own cars enough to go looking for aftermarket, other than body mods to make their car look as ridiculous as possible. The one "good" idea I have so far with the Tesla is regarding the front license plate. I started to wonder about front plates and see they are pretty ugly on the car, and started reading about existing "solutions". I have a concept for a much better solution, but I won't know if it is possible until I can take a good look at the car. I'd have to pretty much own one to do that. Are Tesla owners more like Smart or more like Honda? It appears to be a passionate group, so I think the former... only with more money (which bodes well) but perhaps less inclination to modify, I don't know.

 

[iKhalid]

I get that. And more than anything I wish there was another full electric car with reasonable range so that the choice wasn't so all-or-nothing. And I appreciate you dropping your dime when the car and infrastructure had less. I wanted the car then, but decided it wasn't worth it for me. With the D and auto-pilot announcement, it appeared perfect. It really bothers me that the announcement doesn't say "in some future world"... he says what the car "can" do, as in right now. No mention of "oh, but just so you know... I'm just talking. None of this is really available. We'll still call it "auto pilot", but it isn't". And it is that mislead that really has me bothered. What else isn't true? OK, how about the constant mention of "10 minute" charges (by the owner advisor guy)? 10 minutes at a SC doesn't get you much, as I later found out. Certainly won't get me to my next charger and absolutely not to home from the closest one. The guy told me the $600/yr ranger fee is optional and has no effect on warranty (leaving me to wonder what the heck it is for) but I see just about everyone saying it is required. Do the dual motors even work? Or is that a "at some point we'll turn them on"? Is it just performance or is there a REAL safety aspect as well, as there should be? Too many questions.


Or maybe I'm just looking for an excuse to not drop this kind of cash on a car, I don't know.

I just don't see how I can be this worried about the purchase and still go through with it.

I think the only thing holding me on to it right now is my wondering if I could make money on it. I have a background in automotive electronics and I usually find some deficiency in cars I own that I can find an improvement for. With some cars (like my smart), the owner base is receptive to that sort of thing while others (like my honda) it is impossible to get owners' attentions because they just don't care about their own cars enough to go looking for aftermarket, other than body mods to make their car look as ridiculous as possible. The one "good" idea I have so far with the Tesla is regarding the front license plate. I started to wonder about front plates and see they are pretty ugly on the car, and started reading about existing "solutions". I have a concept for a much better solution, but I won't know if it is possible until I can take a good look at the car. I'd have to pretty much own one to do that. Are Tesla owners more like Smart or more like Honda? It appears to be a passionate group, so I think the former... only with more money (which bodes well) but perhaps less inclination to modify, I don't know.

I can understand the confusion. In my case I was hooked and did a lot of homework and watched a lot of videos. I didn't even have the luxury to sit with a delivery specialist or have a test drive. I also judge the car with what it has right now and if I can live with what I have to wait for (superchargers in my case). That's why it would be best to sit with an owner and chat about it. And that's why Tesla asked for owners in Ottawa to participate at the auto show (I was one of them). It was a very smart move and the people loved and felt more comfortable talking to owners. And if you have the time, watch Bjorn early videos.

Good luck with any decision you make!

 

[bcsteeve]

I asked in another thread and don't think I got a response (at least I didn't get notified).... who the heck is Bjorn? lol. He seems famous. I found some video of him saying how he wanted people to get him a new Model X for free and it seemed popular. I kept waiting for the bit where he would say he was going to save babies from burning buildings if he got it, but no... it was just "I want one" and everyone was like "hell yeah, let's get him one!". Other than his car having a cool name of Millennium Falcon, what's the deal? Was he the first Tesla owner or something?