Charging Station standards

[TEG]

My Nissan Leaf Forum View topic - 7 manufacturers support J1772 L3 DC Quick chrgr over CHAdeMO

Shouldnt the title ("7 manufacturers support J1772 L3 DC Quick chrgr over CHAdeMO") be that 7 manufacturers want to disagree with the existing L3 CHAdeMO standard? Kind of important to remember that CHAdeMO is already deployed and charging cars daily. Last I checked, "the tail does not wag the dog".

 

[neroden]

Yeeargh. I can see why Tesla just invented their own plug. Again. (Though they really ought to have invented one which was three-phase capable.)

What I want to see are the "adapters" which Tesla has promised which aren't cables, the ones which will allow J1772 and Chademo (and if they have any sense Mennekes (sp) ) to connect to the Tesla port. Without cables. Hmm.

 

[jkirkebo]

A Mennekes "adapter" would not make sense. A simple cable is enough, with a Tesla connector on one end and a Mennekes connector on the other.

 

[TEG]

...What I want to see are the "adapters" which Tesla has promised which aren't cables, the ones which will allow J1772 and Chademo (and if they have any sense Mennekes (sp) ) to connect to the Tesla port. Without cables. Hmm.

I think for UMC2 it will have some wall plug end with snap in adapters for NEMA plug ends (like 14-50, 10-30, etc.)
For J1772, I think it will be a car side adapter, no UMC2 required, that locks to the car socket and then has a J1772 socket on the other side.
For CHAdeMO...???...Not even sure they plan to do it...


I wonder if Model S will let you drive it with the charge flap open and a J1772 adapter installed?
It would look really dorky that way, but you wouldn't have to keep re-installing the adapter.

 

[jcstp]

seven carmakers in Europe - Audi, BMW, Daimler, Ford, General Motors, Porsche and Volkswagen

?????????
Audi , Porsche and VW is ONE automaker!!!!!!!
So only 5 support the new standard!

Else you could say "Renault , Nissan , Infinity, Samsung (making the renault 4x4 and the safrane), Dacia, Mitsubischi , Peugeot and Citroen support Chademo!!!!!" Which are EIGHT carmakers who sell also in Europe!
But actually are only 3 automakers!

 

[Doug_G]

I wonder if Model S will let you drive it with the charge flap open and a J1772 adapter installed?
It would look really dorky that way, but you wouldn't have to keep re-installing the adapter.

Extremely unlike, for safety reasons. If they did that, someone will drive off with the cable attached... or worse, plugged in.

That's why the Roadster prevents operating the car with the charge port door open.

 

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http://www.loloo.nl/

 

[TEG]

http://www.loloo.nl/

The hair-standing-on-end motif for their site is amusing.

 

[vfx]

What is Kevin calling his box?

 

[TEG]

What is Kevin calling his box?

ZCWEVSE ?

ZCWCS ?

Seriously, I haven't seen a name for it yet.

 

[doug]

http://www.loloo.nl/

Odd to see a Tesla branded Mennekes box.

 

[vfx]

ZCWEVSE ?

ZCWCS ?

Seriously, I haven't seen a name for it yet.

Zekwev.

 

[TEG]

Odd to see a Tesla branded Mennekes box.

Yeah... Old logo too... Guessing not 'factory approved' endorsement.

 

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4 Lloyd
http://www.sea.siemens.com/us/Products/Residential-Electrical/Product/Pages/VersiCharge.aspx

 

[Lloyd]

4 Lloyd
http://www.sea.siemens.com/us/Products/Residential-Electrical/Product/Pages/VersiCharge.aspx

Interesting: Now that they are making higher power Level 2, but now what's the point if the Model S can accept only 10KW? I don't think that many will opt for the 2nd onboard charger to be able to utilize it all.

Indoor installation only, and no Point of Sale.

Thanks Eric!

 

[TEG]

Interesting: Now that they are making higher power Level 2, but now what's the point if the Model S can accept only 10KW? I don't think that many will opt for the 2nd onboard charger to be able to utilize it all...

That might be too early to predict. Besides, Signature Model S might come with 2nd charger (=20kW) automatically included?

 

[EVNow]

I hope they realize that the sooner ALL of them come to an agreement the better it is for the EV market because of shared infrastructure. What I notice the most about this announcement is that 7 automakers who currently don't sell EVs (but they are coming) agreed on a common standard while the automakers that currently DO sell EVs have not.

Well, for all we know, the basic point of the new "standard" is to slow down EV adoption.

Not sure about EU - but in the US - first movers have very large advantage. Afterall, we still use Imperial over Metric

 

[SByer]

- first movers have very large advantage.

Tesla just has to get some much more mass-market device to use their standard and pull another PS3/BluRay. :tongue:

 

[vfx]

Tesla just has to get some much more mass-market device to use their standard and pull another PS3/BluRay. :tongue:

Yes there is one type of entertainment that sell very well. Have it as an option on the big screen and sales will go up.

 

[Norbert]

Well, for all we know, the basic point of the new "standard" is to slow down EV adoption.

Seriously. And to get it under control. To occupy mind share with announcements, concept cars and semi-functional products.