Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[nwdiver]

As stated the volcanoes occurred over 300 thousand years. Short half life is 1 to 2 years for shading effects. If you had a number of them in just a few years they would severally reduce sunlight. It would only take a few years of very low sunlight to kill off most plant life.

As stated we've had several volcanic winters before. They don't kill off ~95% of MARINE life. That's what made the 'great dying' exceptional. It killed ~95% of marine species. SO2 would not escalate over 300k years. It would stabilize after just a few years. CO2 levels would keep rising as we're foolish enough to do now.

 

[rays427]

Yes, we have had several volcanic winters that didn't kill off 95% of marine life but that included the affects of CO2. The volcanic activity was much greater. So there would be much more shading than what we have observed in the past. It would only take one or two years with little sun light to kill off a majority of photo plankton since they need sunlight like all other plants. Since all other life in the sea depends on the photo plankton it wouldn't take long for everything else to die off without it.

 

[EinSV]

The US, Russia and Saudi Arabia's obstinate efforts to block progress on climate change is truly reprehensible, especially since the rapid cost reductions for renewables makes reducing carbon emissions easier than ever.

I hope the rest of the world figures out a way to bring these stubborn, short-sighted states to heel. U.N. Secretary General Guterres:

"To waste this opportunity would compromise our last best chance to stop runaway climate change," Mr Guterres said. "It would not only be immoral, it would be suicidal." Failure to tackle warming 'suicidal'​

 

[Zaxxon]

The Oil Industry’s Covert Campaign to Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules

 

[nwdiver]

Yes, we have had several volcanic winters that didn't kill off 95% of marine life but that included the affects of CO2. The volcanic activity was much greater. So there would be much more shading than what we have observed in the past. It would only take one or two years with little sun light to kill off a majority of photo plankton since they need sunlight like all other plants. Since all other life in the sea depends on the photo plankton it wouldn't take long for everything else to die off without it.

A better phrase may have been 'nuclear winter' to include 'impact winters'. The K-T extinction event likely blocked out nearly all sunlight for several years. It did not kill off ~95% of marine species; no other event in the fossil record ever has. There's a reason it's called 'The Great Dying' So far as fossil evidence goes the most lethal event for life on earth is a sudden rise in CO2 levels. EXACTLY as we're now doing........ on an annual basis we're almost certainly adding CO2 to the atmosphere faster than at any point in Earths history since complex life began. Think about that.......

 

[Merrill]

The Oil Industry’s Covert Campaign to Rewrite American Car Emissions Rules

This is truly disgusting and one of many reasons I refuse to buy gas.

 

[EinSV]

This report has some fascinating facts and insights on the relatively small number of entities who are the source of the lion’s share of global GHG emissions.
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says | Guardian Sustainable Business : environment

Here is one:

“Over half of global industrial emissions since human- induced climate change was officially recognized can be traced to just 25 corporate and state producing entities.“​

 

[mspohr]

This report has some fascinating facts and insights on the relatively small number of entities who are the source of the lion’s share of global GHG emissions.
Just 100 companies responsible for 71% of global emissions, study says | Guardian Sustainable Business : environment

Here is one:

“Over half of global industrial emissions since human- induced climate change was officially recognized can be traced to just 25 corporate and state producing entities.“​

I think we need to acknowledge that our current economic system of unrestrained capitalism has allowed large corporations to run the politicians and destroy the planet.
How can we take back our government? Is France a model?

 

[SageBrush]

Is France a model?

NO.

Those folks are whining about the loss of the brain-dead diesel subsidy.

 

[mspohr]

Perhaps this would work.

Green New Deal - Wikipedia

I've started a thread with more information here
Green New Deal

 

[traxila]

Macron should have lavished subsidies on all things renewable instead. But he cannot because EU and deficits and all that. The Whole world should just turn on the printing press for renewables and the transformation would be astounding as the stuff is already cheap enough. What a big mess....would probably start several wars....

 

[mspohr]

NO.

Those folks are whining about the loss of the brain-dead diesel subsidy.

If you read the French demands, they go quite far beyond the diesel tax.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opin...ory.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.79ade6dc3940

What Are the France Yellow Vest Protests About? – Rolling Stone

 

[mspohr]

Macron should have lavished subsidies on all things renewable instead. But he cannot because EU and deficits and all that. The Whole world should just turn on the printing press for renewables and the transformation would be astounding as the stuff is already cheap enough. What a big mess....would probably start several wars....

One of the demands of the Yellow Vests is to leave the EU and it's restrictions.

 

[ohmman]

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior
A new report documents suppression of science, denial of climate change, the silencing and intimidation of staff

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior

UCS report that article is based on here: https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/defaul...ege-at-department-of-interior-full-report.pdf

 

[mspohr]

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior
A new report documents suppression of science, denial of climate change, the silencing and intimidation of staff

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior

UCS report that article is based on here: https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/defaul...ege-at-department-of-interior-full-report.pdf

OMG! I thought it was bad but this is the worst.

 

[ZsoZso]

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior
A new report documents suppression of science, denial of climate change, the silencing and intimidation of staff

Monumental Disaster at the Department of the Interior

UCS report that article is based on here: https://www.ucsusa.org/sites/defaul...ege-at-department-of-interior-full-report.pdf

My question is:
Did anybody honestly expect anything less from the Trump administration ?
Wasn't it obvious from the moment Pruitt was placed at the head of EPA ?

 

[SageBrush]

Trump has been quite the catalyst, but science warped to serve a political opinion has been actively practiced by the Repub party for a long time. I first noticed the ideology in practice under li'l Bush and his Evangelical advisors.

 

[nwdiver]

Trump has been quite the catalyst, but science warped to serve a political opinion has been actively practiced by the Repub party for a long time. I first noticed the ideology in practice under li'l Bush and his Evangelical advisors.

This has got to be peak denial..... right?...... RIGHT?

 

[Unpilot]

This has got to be peak denial..... right?...... RIGHT?

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If anyone needed one picture to show how foolish and stupid one man can be ...that is a good one.

 

[mspohr]

If anyone needed one picture to show how foolish and stupid one man can be ...that is a good one.

Unfortunately, it's not just one idiot. It's the entire Republican party (and a number of Democrats) who have been bought off by the fossil fuel industry. Our "free market" capitalist system allows this to happen. They are destroying the planet.