He was pretty clear, but in more detail, all the years you left off after year 2000:
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mspohr
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Democrats are reaching farmers with an exciting message: green agriculture
Democrats are reaching farmers with an exciting message: green agriculture | Art Cullen
Every leading Democratic campaign now endorses an aggressive approach to conservation that could dramatically reduce greenhouse gases, improve water quality and enhance rural prosperity.
Markets are telling us they don’t need all that corn. Iowa State University tests of the kernel tell us that soil degradation is eroding protein content. Wheat production in China is falling because of it. General Mills is up on the news, and is urging growers in the Dakotas to go organic because consumers demand it. Kellogg is phasing out glyphosate from its acres. The latest poison from Bayer, dicamba, faces a new wave of class-action lawsuits from angry farmers.
In other words, the gig is up on the last 50 years of chemical- and export-driven food production. It hasn’t worked for farmers or rural communities, and they know it.
Democrats are reaching farmers with an exciting message: green agriculture | Art Cullen
Every leading Democratic campaign now endorses an aggressive approach to conservation that could dramatically reduce greenhouse gases, improve water quality and enhance rural prosperity.
Markets are telling us they don’t need all that corn. Iowa State University tests of the kernel tell us that soil degradation is eroding protein content. Wheat production in China is falling because of it. General Mills is up on the news, and is urging growers in the Dakotas to go organic because consumers demand it. Kellogg is phasing out glyphosate from its acres. The latest poison from Bayer, dicamba, faces a new wave of class-action lawsuits from angry farmers.
In other words, the gig is up on the last 50 years of chemical- and export-driven food production. It hasn’t worked for farmers or rural communities, and they know it.
mspohr
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Pupils draft their own climate bill as anxiety grows over lack of guidance for schools
Pupils draft their own climate bill as anxiety grows over lack of guidance for schools
Greta Thunberg, the climate activist, in her blistering speech to the United Nations last September, said that as young people begin to understand adults’ betrayal of the planet, “the eyes of all future generations” will be watching. Now young people in the UK are demanding that the government address the climate emergency through radical reform of what – and how – pupils learn. But is the government listening?
As well as the proposed new act, Teach the Future is calling for a government review into how the education system is preparing students for the climate emergency and the ecological crisis. It wants teacher training to assess a minimum standard of knowledge about climate change and its impact, and a national fund to help young people’s voices be heard. It calls for all new state-funded educational buildings to have a zero-carbon footprint from 2022, with the entire education sector becoming net-zero by 2030, and a youth climate endowment fund to support young people’s projects and ideas.
Pupils draft their own climate bill as anxiety grows over lack of guidance for schools
Greta Thunberg, the climate activist, in her blistering speech to the United Nations last September, said that as young people begin to understand adults’ betrayal of the planet, “the eyes of all future generations” will be watching. Now young people in the UK are demanding that the government address the climate emergency through radical reform of what – and how – pupils learn. But is the government listening?
As well as the proposed new act, Teach the Future is calling for a government review into how the education system is preparing students for the climate emergency and the ecological crisis. It wants teacher training to assess a minimum standard of knowledge about climate change and its impact, and a national fund to help young people’s voices be heard. It calls for all new state-funded educational buildings to have a zero-carbon footprint from 2022, with the entire education sector becoming net-zero by 2030, and a youth climate endowment fund to support young people’s projects and ideas.
Swampgator
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I didn't intentionally leave anything off. I screenshotted his graph directly.He was pretty clear, but in more detail, all the years you left off after year 2000:
Also, the baseline is arbitrarily chosen as the coldest years in the 1900s. Wonder why that is? And those adjustments were massive, in order to hide the warmth of the 1930s-1940s. There is no way it was colder in 1935 than in 1950 as this graph shows.
Here is unadjusted data for Hadcrut GMT for example:
I have a question for you: How would you explain the sharp rise in temps that occured from 1910 until 1946 when Co2 levels from humans were negligible?
ladysbff
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Go regenerative organic! Better for humans, better for the earth.
You were asked:
Then you intentionally posted a graph with data stopping 20 years ago, intentionally leaving off the last 20 years which disproved your argument.
Swampgator
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No I did not. I literally went to the IPCC section on this issue and posted their own graph. It stopped at 2000. The point was look at the spike during the Medieval period. It is higher than the 2000 year ending of that graph. If you really think that today's temperatures are the hottest the earth has ever been, then you clearly should move on to the religion forums.
DragonWatch
Small FootPrint
Good thoughts. I don't trust Big Oil either
This, good doctor, is exactly what Walter Willett does in his field. Bully those who disagree into submission. It's a chilling effect and directly thwarts the scientific process.
I think the time for debate is over ~ period. Both sides can and will continue to talk till they are blue or gray in the face.
I no longer have faith in religion, democracy or the human race to somehow solve this situation where our backs are against the wall. I am afraid to listen to myself from June 1970 sermon on the topic of "love," both from the voice in the cassette which sounds foreign and the topic. I raised myself from my bootstraps as the saying goes. I entered the army during Vietnam and retired before the "lifer war." I am a socialist since I used the GI Bill to fund my higher education. I basically am an honor graduate from the first ever special education ~ my god, that pissed off the elitists in the military.
During my masters in management program, there is such a thing as "no decision." A no decision is a decision and that is exactly what debating is intended to produce ~ no decision or no action.
There is a very right or wrong answer to climate change and many other topics. The facts are all there and you do not need to be a rocket scientist to discern the truth. It all boils down to what is your truth ~ bottom line. My wife's father designed space capsule ejection systems, but his truth was not mine. Fellow officers that mumbled cowardly that the "south would rise again;" their truth was not mine. FYI ~ my bloodline grandfather ordered his son, my bloodline uncle, to murder a native and thus fired the first shot sparking the King Philips War. Their truth is not my truth.
I have used the truth test as my acid test of time throughout my life. If your truth is to prevent action on climate change, then your truth is not my truth.
I stood the test of time as a soldier, for many reasons, but most of the time was peaceful. Was my time and energy a waste of tax payer money or did soldiers like me well trained keep the wolves at bay? Same with climate change, preventing may not result in as many deaths, but save life as we know it or no action and your family dies thanks to you. I know my truth, and I stand by it.
Swampgator
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Emotional appeal.
But go ahead and believe you are saving the world
You are using the same logic as the McGovern committee when they rolled out the DGAs. They said, even if we are wrong, what harm can come from telling people to eat less fat? Result: Diabesity epidemics all over the world.
And look, I drive a Tesla. If I needed a new roof I would get a solar roof. And a powerwall to go along with it.
I for sure am not trying to stop anyone from doing them same thing. As I have said numerous times in this forum: It does not matter if you believe in CAGW or not, the switch to sustainable energy will happen because of economics, and it will/is happening quickly, right before our eyes.
Keep calm and drive on
Someone asked me what the temperature was today. I showed them a chart of the temperatures more than 20 years ago. I wasn’t lying, it was a chart. Makes sense.No I did not. I literally went to the IPCC section on this issue and posted their own graph. It stopped at 2000. The point was look at the spike during the Medieval period. It is higher than the 2000 year ending of that graph. If you really think that today's temperatures are the hottest the earth has ever been, then you clearly should move on to the religion forums.
Swampgator
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Someone asked me what the temperature was today. I showed them a chart of the temperatures more than 20 years ago. I wasn’t lying, it was a chart. Makes sense.
One example I already provided.
The Esper paper. Orbital forcing of tree-ring data
Moderator Note: A number of posts have been moved away to Ohmman and Swampgator Get Nowhere.
nwdiver
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I was about to make a Deadpool meme about how luck may not be a super power but patience surely is
SageBrush
REJECT Fascism
It is a fair guess that my experience as a soldier was no less memorable and likely a lot more intense and drawn out (10 years and a war), but so was my first love. I rarely mention either. Don't you think it is time to move on and keep growing ?
ladysbff
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mspohr
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Fossil fuel pollution behind 4m premature deaths a year – study
Fossil fuel pollution behind 4m premature deaths a year – study
Air pollution from burning fossil fuels is responsible for more than 4m premature deaths around the world each year and costs the global economy about $8bn a day, according to a study.
This is a problem that we know how to solve,” said Son. “By transitioning to renewable energy sources, phasing out diesel and petrol cars, and building public transport. We need to take into account the real cost of fossil fuels, not just for our rapidly heating planet, but also for our health.”
Fossil fuel pollution behind 4m premature deaths a year – study
Air pollution from burning fossil fuels is responsible for more than 4m premature deaths around the world each year and costs the global economy about $8bn a day, according to a study.
This is a problem that we know how to solve,” said Son. “By transitioning to renewable energy sources, phasing out diesel and petrol cars, and building public transport. We need to take into account the real cost of fossil fuels, not just for our rapidly heating planet, but also for our health.”
ladysbff
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How peat could protect the planet
Informative article if you have the time.
...the peatlands have tremendous value for carbon storage. These areas hold more than one-quarter of all soil carbon, even though they account for only 3% of Earth’s land area1. Globally, peatlands hold more than twice as much carbon as the world’s forests do, according to the United Nations Environment Programme.
In the data collected so far, Andersen and her colleagues have detected some promising changes2. They found that the first patches of restored peatlands, in which trees were simply cut and rolled into the blocked drainage ditches, switched from a carbon source to a carbon sink after 16 years. Although that work demonstrated that transitioning forest back to bog can be an effective way to restore a carbon sink, the researchers found that they could get faster results with more intensive management — such as clearing the carbon-rich trees and branches and flattening the ground. Although these more intensive strategies can trigger an initial pulse of greenhouse-gas emissions by disturbing the soil, once it is more uniformly wet this can also accelerate the switch from carbon source to sink — bringing it down to as little as ten years, says Andersen.
Informative article if you have the time.
...the peatlands have tremendous value for carbon storage. These areas hold more than one-quarter of all soil carbon, even though they account for only 3% of Earth’s land area1. Globally, peatlands hold more than twice as much carbon as the world’s forests do, according to the United Nations Environment Programme.
In the data collected so far, Andersen and her colleagues have detected some promising changes2. They found that the first patches of restored peatlands, in which trees were simply cut and rolled into the blocked drainage ditches, switched from a carbon source to a carbon sink after 16 years. Although that work demonstrated that transitioning forest back to bog can be an effective way to restore a carbon sink, the researchers found that they could get faster results with more intensive management — such as clearing the carbon-rich trees and branches and flattening the ground. Although these more intensive strategies can trigger an initial pulse of greenhouse-gas emissions by disturbing the soil, once it is more uniformly wet this can also accelerate the switch from carbon source to sink — bringing it down to as little as ten years, says Andersen.
mspohr
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Apparently there are some nasty feedback loops which are forcing the models beyond their predictions.
Swampgator
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Thanks for the link.
They measured increased ocean current speeds and describe that prior studies predicted AGW would decrease ocean circulation. They go on to state the increased ocean current speeds are a result of increased wind speeds. They then do some model runs and decide that the models show increased wind speeds under the RCP8.5 scenario. Then that make the conclusion that the current speeds have increased due to global warming (most likely) with some help from the PDO. The conclusion in the article and the authors thoughts are nothing more than conjecture.
Most climate researchers will admit that our understanding of the multidecadal cycles of PDO and AMO is poor. Michael Mann just dropped a paper actually arguing these multidecadal oscillations do not exist naturally and are most likely AGW related. Using model runs of course to prove his point.
Still, it's interesting that these 2 papers hit at the same time. Overall this is what passes as climate science these days, and it's pretty poor IMO.
I particularly liked this sentence in the paper: The reason for the discrepancy between CMIP5 historical run and reanalysis products is not well understood.
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