PACEMD
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And data? Studies? Evidence? This is the United States of America, we don't need no stinkin' evidence.............
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Daniel in SD
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It is sort of crazy that safety systems are released with no evidence to prove that they work. Instead we rely on the same corporations that sell the products to tell us that they're safe.
I do like Autopilot though, hopefully it is safe.
PACEMD
Active Member
Right, well safety regulations are brought to us by the folks who are working so hard to keep us safe from the COVID virus.......
Daniel in SD
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Cars are way safer than they used to be. I suppose one could argue that it has nothing to do with safety regulations but it's hard to argue that the transparency created by the NHTSA (government) and IIHS (private) crash tests haven't improved safety. I think people have a right to know whether or not the system is actually safer.
AlanSubie4Life
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Fernand
Active Member
There are two types of Tesla owners. The "manuals" and the automation fans. There's not much overlap. The manuals seem to prefer the higher power cars; they're probably younger. To each his own.
For reasons I can't fully decode, the manuals who try NOA have countless problems that I don't have. I use NOA all the time, I pay attention, and I don't get "phantom hard braking" or any dangerous stuff. If I'm in AP/AS and need to take over, because of an ambiguous situation (and they do happen), that's insignificant, because I'm getting major relief from fatigue and nerves 99.9% of the drive. Simple arithmetic.
Currently if AS drops out I get a HUGE red steering wheel, LOUD sounds - and a pop-up that tells me to take over. It's been many months since AS would disconnect with only a beep and a pop-up.
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For reasons I can't fully decode, the manuals who try NOA have countless problems that I don't have. I use NOA all the time, I pay attention, and I don't get "phantom hard braking" or any dangerous stuff. If I'm in AP/AS and need to take over, because of an ambiguous situation (and they do happen), that's insignificant, because I'm getting major relief from fatigue and nerves 99.9% of the drive. Simple arithmetic.
Currently if AS drops out I get a HUGE red steering wheel, LOUD sounds - and a pop-up that tells me to take over. It's been many months since AS would disconnect with only a beep and a pop-up.
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I def prefer Tesla... but I think this may be valid. Go read the thread about how people did the math that 12 ounces of weights hanging off the wheel is enough to trick the torque sensor.
I think changing torque sensor to an eyeball sensor would make current Tesla both easier to use (no need to apply light force to the wheel) and safer (say you do really pass out or try to read a book while driving)
I think changing torque sensor to an eyeball sensor would make current Tesla both easier to use (no need to apply light force to the wheel) and safer (say you do really pass out or try to read a book while driving)
Thats exactly it, I can feel ap about to screw up earlier than my passenger can and can react much faster with my hands already on the wheel. For teslas operational domain I still think hands on is the way to go for the time being.
PACEMD
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I'm wid youse........that wasn't entirely a serious statement...........
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PACEMD
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Not a serious statement that........or meant to be taken exactly literally......
My humor clues were a bit off. It also wasn't funny. Ok, that was a careless and stupid thing to say. I'm going out back now to have FSD shoot me..........and eat some worms.........
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