Causalien
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Hopefully people will listen to Joe Rogan if they don't listen to people like me.
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Hopefully people will listen to Joe Rogan if they don't listen to people like me.
Wishing you and your family well, and a complete recovery.
I hope you and your wife recover soon!
General observation: if your wife picked up the virus at work and then infected you, how is it possible that you both developed symptoms at about the same time? The assumption so far has been that the virus can only be transferred when someone has symptoms and that the incubation time for the next carrier is at least a few days. Any thoughts?
Causalien
Prime 8 ball Oracle
Asymptomatic transmission. Viral load is heaviest within the 4 day period before symptoms show up. According to one study.
Cue doctors who shows another studies that contradicts this in 3...2...1...
Two people who went to RSA security conference test positive for COVID-19 - this was held in San Francisco. By the time it started, numerous companies had pulled out (per Verizon just became the third major sponsor to pull out of one of the biggest cybersecurity events of the year over coronavirus fears, IBM, AT&T, Verizon, etc.)
Also, we've been receiving more and more emails prodding us (not quite a mandate yet) to work from home. The wording has gotten stronger over the days. For some job functions, it is actually a lot of extra overhead/loss of efficiency to WFH, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear about Snapdragon's case.
I'm guessing he has/had something to w/Qualcomm?
https://www.cnet.com/news/two-people-who-went-to-rsa-security-conference-test-positive-for-covid-19/
On this note, my work changed from buffets to having the lunches put in boxes. And, for some other items, a gloved person serves you instead of serving yourself.
Also, we've been receiving more and more emails prodding us (not quite a mandate yet) to work from home. The wording has gotten stronger over the days. For some job functions, it is actually a lot of extra overhead/loss of efficiency to WFH, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear about Snapdragon's case.
I'm guessing he has/had something to w/Qualcomm?
ProfTournesol
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All the best! I had it, mild issues, but the majori
Most conferences in europe are cancelled. Today microsoft ignite on tour should have happend, it’s cancelled. Strange that there are still conferences going on in the us. Oh wait what’s the name of the guy in the white house? He is with his age in the risk category?Two people who went to RSA security conference test positive for COVID-19 - this was held in San Francisco. By the time it started, numerous companies had pulled out (per Verizon just became the third major sponsor to pull out of one of the biggest cybersecurity events of the year over coronavirus fears, IBM, AT&T, Verizon, etc.)
On this note, my work changed from buffets to having the lunches put in boxes. And, for some other items, a gloved person serves you instead of serving yourself.
Also, we've been receiving more and more emails prodding us (not quite a mandate yet) to work from home. The wording has gotten stronger over the days. For some job functions, it is actually a lot of extra overhead/loss of efficiency to WFH, unfortunately.
Sorry to hear about Snapdragon's case.
Actually, quite a few US conferences have also been canceled or "postponed". Here's an incomplete list of just tech conference: Gartner cancels events, Dell World goes virtual due to coronavirus: 2020 tech conference cancellations and travel bans | ZDNet.Most conferences in europe are cancelled. Today microsoft ignite on tour should have happend, it’s cancelled. Strange that there are still conferences going on in the us. Oh wait what’s the name of the guy in the white house? He is with his age in the risk category?
Fact Checking
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European stats update.
I'll start with the 'good' news:
While Italy crossed the 10k cases boundary, the 9.4% daily growth yesterday might already be the effects of the heightened public awareness and containment efforts.
On the flip side, even if this is the peak in Italy (which it might not be), and even with good containment efforts, the caseload will probably increase by another 50% from here on - i.e. we might cross the 15k cases boundary in Italy.
From the other big European countries, Spain and France are still on the exponential side of the outbreak, and Poland has a suspiciously low caseload of just 24 total reported cases, which is implausible in the extreme. Guest workers from Italy are streaming home as we speak, and there's over 3 million of them ...
Germany and the UK are faring better, but they are still not on the robustly declining side of the epidemic curve.
Smaller countries neighboring Italy are struggling: Switzerland has a better response than Austria, and ski season, a big source of income for Alp regions, certainly exacerbated the situation. Austria only started shutting down select ski resorts yesterday ...
Scandinavian countries relapsed: Norway had a big spike yesterday, and Sweden isn't out of the woods yet IMO.
The Netherlands appears to be handling the outbreak well, despite being a big transit hub half of Europe is traveling through:
I'm wondering whether TMC locals such as @Right_Said_Fred could comment on how good the testing and containment efforts are in the Netherlands, are these stats a possible indicator that they are now on the downward slope, or is there still complacency and under-testing/under-reporting?
In general I think the biggest worry is Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, Romania), which isn't showing up in the statistics right now, but which have both a more vulnerable population and underdeveloped health care systems. A lot of guest workers returning home to Eastern Europe, who are in a somewhat similar economic position as 'migrant workers' in China, but unlike in China, long distance travel from affected areas has not been shut down in Europe ...
Eastern Europe also features more authoritarian governments with a history of suppressing inconvenient facts and statistics - which is a compounding factor when responding to epidemics.
I'll start with the 'good' news:
Code:
# "Italy" daily new infections log:
Feb 19: 0 new cases, 1 total cases ( +0%)
Feb 20: 0 new cases, 1 total cases ( +0%)
Feb 21: 16 new cases, 17 total cases (+88.8%)
Feb 22: 59 new cases, 76 total cases (+76.6%)
Feb 24: 149 new cases, 225 total cases (+65.9%) ##
Feb 25: 97 new cases, 322 total cases (+30.0%) #
Feb 26: 131 new cases, 453 total cases (+28.8%) #
Feb 27: 208 new cases, 661 total cases (+31.4%) ###
Feb 28: 246 new cases, 907 total cases (+27.0%) ###
Feb 29: 247 new cases, 1154 total cases (+21.3%) ###
Mar 01: 572 new cases, 1726 total cases (+33.1%) ########
Mar 02: 354 new cases, 2080 total cases (+17.0%) #####
Mar 03: 495 new cases, 2575 total cases (+19.2%) #######
Mar 04: 605 new cases, 3180 total cases (+19.0%) #########
Mar 05: 784 new cases, 3964 total cases (+19.7%) ###########
Mar 06: 821 new cases, 4785 total cases (+17.1%) ############
Mar 07: 1249 new cases, 6034 total cases (+20.6%) ##################
Mar 08: 1499 new cases, 7533 total cases (+19.8%) ######################
Mar 09: 1797 new cases, 9330 total cases (+19.2%) ##########################
Mar 10: 977 new cases, 10307 total cases ( +9.4%) ##############While Italy crossed the 10k cases boundary, the 9.4% daily growth yesterday might already be the effects of the heightened public awareness and containment efforts.
On the flip side, even if this is the peak in Italy (which it might not be), and even with good containment efforts, the caseload will probably increase by another 50% from here on - i.e. we might cross the 15k cases boundary in Italy.
From the other big European countries, Spain and France are still on the exponential side of the outbreak, and Poland has a suspiciously low caseload of just 24 total reported cases, which is implausible in the extreme. Guest workers from Italy are streaming home as we speak, and there's over 3 million of them ...
Germany and the UK are faring better, but they are still not on the robustly declining side of the epidemic curve.
Smaller countries neighboring Italy are struggling: Switzerland has a better response than Austria, and ski season, a big source of income for Alp regions, certainly exacerbated the situation. Austria only started shutting down select ski resorts yesterday ...
Scandinavian countries relapsed: Norway had a big spike yesterday, and Sweden isn't out of the woods yet IMO.
The Netherlands appears to be handling the outbreak well, despite being a big transit hub half of Europe is traveling through:
Code:
# "Netherlands" daily new infections log:
Feb 27: 0 new cases, 0 total cases ( +0%)
Feb 28: 1 new cases, 1 total cases (+50.0%)
Feb 29: 5 new cases, 6 total cases (+71.4%) #
Mar 01: 3 new cases, 9 total cases (+30.0%)
Mar 02: 8 new cases, 17 total cases (+44.4%) ##
Mar 03: 6 new cases, 23 total cases (+25.0%) #
Mar 04: 15 new cases, 38 total cases (+38.4%) ####
Mar 05: 44 new cases, 82 total cases (+53.0%) #############
Mar 06: 46 new cases, 128 total cases (+35.6%) #############
Mar 07: 60 new cases, 188 total cases (+31.7%) #################
Mar 08: 77 new cases, 265 total cases (+28.9%) ######################
Mar 09: 56 new cases, 321 total cases (+17.3%) ################
Mar 10: 63 new cases, 384 total cases (+16.3%) ##################I'm wondering whether TMC locals such as @Right_Said_Fred could comment on how good the testing and containment efforts are in the Netherlands, are these stats a possible indicator that they are now on the downward slope, or is there still complacency and under-testing/under-reporting?
In general I think the biggest worry is Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, Romania), which isn't showing up in the statistics right now, but which have both a more vulnerable population and underdeveloped health care systems. A lot of guest workers returning home to Eastern Europe, who are in a somewhat similar economic position as 'migrant workers' in China, but unlike in China, long distance travel from affected areas has not been shut down in Europe ...
Eastern Europe also features more authoritarian governments with a history of suppressing inconvenient facts and statistics - which is a compounding factor when responding to epidemics.
At least this actually made CNN's COVID-19 feed:
Lawmakers in DC advised to use "Star Trek" greeting instead of shaking hands
"Live long and prosper" also seems quite fitting...
Lawmakers in DC advised to use "Star Trek" greeting instead of shaking hands
"Live long and prosper" also seems quite fitting...
Diary of a maybe-coronavirus patient in Seattle who could not get tested from March 7th is crazy but not surprising. I'd seen similar stories elsewhere involving others in the US.
Sorry I had to move this post @Fact Checking. It really belongs in this thread.
To answer your question: The Netherlands is not handling this crisis very well. Still too much complancy on many levels of government and society. There are hardly any school closures, most people don't work from home, people still go to pubs and restaurants and too many events are still going ahead as planned. I am afraid we will keep seeing the numbers rise and will see hospitals eventually overflow with patients. It is just a matter of time.
deonb
Active Member
Lombardy did not provide full data yesterday. They're delayed right now.
Maybe you should close main thread, it became irrelevant as there are only discussions on Lexus ads etc, all necessary information for these days is here.
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You say your symptoms are mild, but it is not like another flu. Can you tell how it is not like flu, besides panic in media?
Coronavirus: Wuhan doctor speaks out against authorities
This explains the background to a doctor in Wuhan realising what the new virus was and sending a warning to fellow medics.
The great tragedy is that because of the totalitarian government this virus got out of hand but ironically because it’s a totalitarian government once it did they took the extreme measures to control it whereas in democratic countries it may not have got out of hand in the first place but now that it has it will be harder to contain.
This explains the background to a doctor in Wuhan realising what the new virus was and sending a warning to fellow medics.
The great tragedy is that because of the totalitarian government this virus got out of hand but ironically because it’s a totalitarian government once it did they took the extreme measures to control it whereas in democratic countries it may not have got out of hand in the first place but now that it has it will be harder to contain.
Fact Checking
Well-Known Member
Oops, that was my intent - must have clicked back to the wrong thread. Thanks for moving it!
That's sad ...
I just read How the Biogen leadership conference in Boston spread the coronavirus - The Boston Globe which had been mentioned earlier.
Crazy! It was only a two day conference!
Crazy! It was only a two day conference!
Am having the same debate here. The lack of vision in the school system is stunning. All I hear is, where will the children eat and who will provide daycare? Economics always trump biology until all of a sudden there are bodies piling up and then we get to hear The Who could have imagined line.
My kids don’t want to stop. They fear falling behind. Lol, I guess economics trumps biology in their case too. At least it makes more sense with them. Lack of experience and also low amounts of personal risk as the oldest is 15. What is our brainless politicians excuse?
Private hospitals are helping providing beds and intensive therapy for the current pandemic, especially in Lombardy.
The region is absolutely the most critical, look at the map: Coronavirus: la mappa aggiornata dei contagi in Italia, divisi per regioni e province
In Italy we do have a private health sector, and unfortunately it's been increasing in the last decades (mostly because of the bad influence that US provides), but it's mostly because of waiting times, and specifically for some things (eyes, teeths, etc.).
There is a public dentist, for example, or ophtalmologist, but when you need it you need it fast and you go to a private one.
We also have a special thing when a public doctor operate privately in the public facilities, and the government takes a share. For example, I go to my psychiatrist on Saturday morning like this.
But this is not the situation now, for serious stuff like this the public wins and it takes makes private clinics comply, giving them beds.
I don't really want to go find sources now, but I probably can in the afternoon.
The region is absolutely the most critical, look at the map: Coronavirus: la mappa aggiornata dei contagi in Italia, divisi per regioni e province
In Italy we do have a private health sector, and unfortunately it's been increasing in the last decades (mostly because of the bad influence that US provides
), but it's mostly because of waiting times, and specifically for some things (eyes, teeths, etc.). There is a public dentist, for example, or ophtalmologist, but when you need it you need it fast and you go to a private one.
We also have a special thing when a public doctor operate privately in the public facilities, and the government takes a share. For example, I go to my psychiatrist on Saturday morning like this.
But this is not the situation now, for serious stuff like this the public wins and it takes makes private clinics comply, giving them beds.
I don't really want to go find sources now, but I probably can in the afternoon.
ev-enthusiast
Active Member
Fiat temporarily stops plants in Italy
Fiat Chrysler temporarily stops production in several factories in Italy due to the spread of the virus epidemic. The factories in Pomigliano, Melfi, Atessa and Cassino were to be shut down for two days between Wednesday and Saturday, the Italian-American carmaker said.
The disinfection of the work and rest areas at the locations will be strengthened. This should support government action to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
Fiat Chrysler temporarily stops production in several factories in Italy due to the spread of the virus epidemic. The factories in Pomigliano, Melfi, Atessa and Cassino were to be shut down for two days between Wednesday and Saturday, the Italian-American carmaker said.
The disinfection of the work and rest areas at the locations will be strengthened. This should support government action to curb the spread of the coronavirus.
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