Coronavirus

[Daniel in SD]

Hospitals ARE half empty. My brother's an OR nurse and has worked 12, 16, and 12 hours the last three weeks. Philly hasn't been hit too hard, but we're also 90 mins from Manhattan and closer to North Jersey.

Plenty of doctors posting here. Ask them if hospitals are half empty.

Elon is speaking like a raving lunatic, but the things he's saying are accurate.

Yes, they are. The problem is we'd have to keep them full for a very long time to reach herd immunity. By that time we'll probably have a vaccine.
This is what I don't understand about the argument to "open it up" so we can fill up the hospitals. As hospitals reach capacity we're just going to have to implement the same measures we have in place now. Doesn't it require the same measures to maintain 1000 new cases a day as it does to maintain 100,000? Until you start getting closer to herd immunity of course.

 

[N5329K]

Hospitals ARE half empty. My brother's an OR nurse and has worked 12, 16, and 12 hours the last three weeks. Philly hasn't been hit too hard, but we're also 90 mins from Manhattan and closer to North Jersey.

Plenty of doctors posting here. Ask them if hospitals are half empty.

Elon is speaking like a raving lunatic, but the things he's saying are accurate.

Local hospital (Community Hospital of the Monterey Peninsula...aka "CHOMP") was way more than half empty yesterday. It was basically empty empty, and opened up yesterday for elective procedures as a result. That said, CV-19 cases in Monterey County hit a daily record of 15 yesterday, too. But these, like 80% of previous confirmed cases, are centered in the Salinas area among younger Latinos.
Robin

 

[SDRick]

Overall, it looks as though the virus is not overwhelming or taking out the hospitals, the policies are.

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Yes, they are. The problem is we'd have to keep them full for a very long time to reach herd immunity. By that time we'll probably have a vaccine.
This is what I don't understand about the argument to "open it up" so we can fill up the hospitals. As hospitals reach capacity we're just going to have to implement the same measures we have in place now. Doesn't it require the same measures to maintain 1000 new cases a day as it does to maintain 100,000? Until you start getting closer to herd immunity of course.

There little to zero risk of hospitalization for the 49 and under crowd, let alone death. Isolate the at risk, distance rationally, and open back up in a tiered fashion. No bars or restaurant level congregation til vaccine/herd immunity/etc. What's the problem?

 

[EVNow]

You're gonna point to Italy?

You're gonna point to Italy? Land of 94 year old grandmas and zero testing? How would we even get a denominator for Italy? On average, globally....we should see an IFR around .2% once we can test for a proper denominator.

You didn't even ready the paper I linked, did you ?

I guess you just want to pull numbers out of thin air. I guess you are also telling everyone in Q1 Tesla made a $500M profit.

 

[dfwatt]

Hospitals ARE half empty. My brother's an OR nurse and has worked 12, 16, and 12 hours the last three weeks. Philly hasn't been hit too hard, but we're also 90 mins from Manhattan and closer to North Jersey.

Plenty of doctors posting here. Ask them if hospitals are half empty.

Elon is speaking like a raving lunatic, but the things he's saying are accurate.

Part of how you identify "raving lunatics" is that they say things that are not grounded in reality and instead are grounded in their inability to distinguish their own wishes and fears from reality. This is generally regarded as an adaptive deficit. It's not a strength it's a weakness. So which is it - he's saying things that are accurate or he's saying things that are crazy? Please make up your mind?

 

[Daniel in SD]

There little to zero risk of hospitalization for the 49 and under crowd, let alone death. Isolate the at risk, distance rationally, and open back up in a tiered fashion. No bars or restaurant level congregation til vaccine/herd immunity/etc. What's the problem?

No country has proven that isolating the at risk can work. Many of the at-risk need frequent contact with caregivers.
It will also destroy the economy as most people will voluntarily try to avoid being infected as the case numbers skyrocket.
The best solution is to suppress the virus like South Korea, Australia, New Zealand, Hong Kong, and Taiwan. I predict they will all have much better economic numbers than us (or Sweden!) for 2020.

 

[FoverM]

For all the hysterics about GA "opening up", here's what it's really like north of ATL. I went for a haircut yesterday. I had to wait in my car for the lady to come and get me. She wore a mask. The place was basically empty. She washes my hair then sprays disinfectant on the chair used for that. She cuts my hair, then sprays disinfectant on that chair. She escorts me out (locked front door) and gets her next client from their car.

None of our favorite restaurants are open for dining in, only takeout. You wait in your car for takeout.

Home Depot, Lowes, Kroger, Publix, etc have been open and remain open. HD keeps track of entries and exits. Publix threads people through the aisles.

This is what some irresponsible people in the news media were hyperventilating about. Same for TX. Yet are oddly quiet about CO. I wonder why ...

 

[Daniel in SD]

Overall, it looks as though the virus is not overwhelming or taking out the hospitals, the policies are.

Do you think South Korea has made a horrible mistake?
Should they stop their suppression efforts so they can fill their hospitals?
South Korea reported zero domestic cases of COVID-19 yesterday BTW.

 

[Daniel in SD]

For all the hysterics about GA "opening up", here's what it's really like north of ATL. I went for a haircut yesterday. I had to wait in my car for the lady to come and get me. She wore a mask. The place was basically empty. She washes my hair then sprays disinfectant on the chair used for that. She cuts my hair, then sprays disinfectant on that chair. She escorts me out (locked front door) and gets her next client from their car.

None of our favorite restaurants are open for dining in, only takeout. You wait in your car for takeout.

Home Depot, Lowes, Kroger, Publix, etc have been open and remain open. HD keeps track of entries and exits. Publix threads people through the aisles.

This is what some irresponsible people in the news media were hyperventilating about. Same for TX. Yet are oddly quiet about CO. I wonder why ...

Sounds very reasonable. It's the gyms and restaurants opening that concerns me the most, that really doesn't seem like it's going to work given what we know about how the virus spreads.

 

[blckdmp]

There little to zero risk of hospitalization for the 49 and under crowd, let alone death. Isolate the at risk, distance rationally, and open back up in a tiered fashion. No bars or restaurant level congregation til vaccine/herd immunity/etc. What's the problem?

Dude. We get it. You're lonely and need attention, but at some point just spouting totally unsubstantiated lies is just not on (unless you're planning a run for president). By the CDC's count about 20% of hospitalizations are between 18 and 49 years old. COVID-19 Hospitalizations
NYC has had 0.2% total fatalities with about 25% infected so yes, the IFR is going to be larger than 0.2%.
You know this stuff and I'm sure you know how to google. not one time have you ever provided a link or source to back up any of your made up magical numbers, so I'm sure you also know you're making them up. That's just trolling, pure and simple.

 

[FoverM]

I did a quick check of the JHU county data for MA and it's worse than covidtracking.com. JHU had several days of zero deaths for the whole state scattered throughout the file.

 

[dfwatt]

Hospitals ARE half empty. My brother's an OR nurse and has worked 12, 16, and 12 hours the last three weeks. Philly hasn't been hit too hard, but we're also 90 mins from Manhattan and closer to North Jersey.

Plenty of doctors posting here. Ask them if hospitals are half empty..

I've put up with your nonsense patiently for quite a while but you are simply clueless. You have no idea what Frontline medical staff are experiencing and how close they are to burn out. There was a recent suicide of an ER doctor, the head of the ER at an elite New York City teaching hospital, obviously a bright and talented woman, who got covid-19 tried to come back to work, failed for uncertain reasons possibly because she was still inflamed and perhaps somewhat depressed also, and then went home and killed herself.

While you can't conclude anything from a single tragic case the point is that frontline staff and the hospital systems in many areas have been running at or close to red line for a very long time. They are dangerously close to burning out en mass. So stop dispensing crap. It's not just grotesquely counterfactual it's offensive. Cut it out.

 

[EVNow]

There little to zero risk of hospitalization for the 49 and under crowd, let alone death

Define little. Give links.

35% of people hospitalized in WA are below 60.

https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Documents/1600/coronavirus/data-tables/covid-hospital-summary.pdf

 

[TheTalkingMule]

Do you think South Korea has made a horrible mistake?
Should they stop their suppression efforts so they can fill their hospitals?
South Korea reported zero domestic cases of COVID-19 yesterday BTW.

That ship sailed 2 months ago. We now have millions of infections in all corners of the country and spread is rampant. Testing, tracing, and isolation would be a great way to ease out of isolation, but it wouldn't look anything like "stamping out the virus". Also, we don't have any coordinated plan to do it, so......

 

[TheTalkingMule]

I've put up with your nonsense patiently for quite a while but you are simply clueless. You have no idea what Frontline medical staff are experiencing and how close they are to burn out. That was a recent suicide of an ER doctor, the head of the ER at an elite New York City teaching hospital, obviously a bright and talented woman, who got covid-19 tried to come back to work, failed for uncertain reasons possibly because she was still inflamed and perhaps somewhat depressed also, and then went home and killed herself.

While you can't conclude anything from a single tragic case the point is that frontline staff and the hospital systems in many areas have been running at or close to red line for a very long time. They are dangerously close to burning out en mass. So stop dispensing crap. It's not just grotesquely counterfactual it's offencive. Cut it out.

Great. We were validating a statement for accuracy. I'm saying it's accurate that hospitals are half empty.

It's not Elon(or my) fault that we have a horrendous healthcare system that's not interested in being prepared for or handling a pandemic when they can just make bank pumping out unneeded MRIs. But again...that's a separate issue.

The complaint was that Elon pointed out hospitals are half empty. They are. So what's wrong with saying they are?

 

[TheTalkingMule]

From an investment perspective, I actually think Elon's ranting will be helpful. There are already millions of Tesla fans, perhaps this episode makes the most hard core right nutjobs less resistant to the EV transition. Can't hurt!

 

[dfwatt]

Overall, it looks as though the virus is not overwhelming or taking out the hospitals, the policies are.

Total and utter b*******.

 

[dfwatt]

Great. We were validating a statement for accuracy. I'm saying it's accurate that hospitals are half empty.

It's not Elon(or my) fault that we have a horrendous healthcare system that's not interested in being prepared for or handling a pandemic when they can just make bank pumping out unneeded MRIs. But again...that's a separate issue.

The complaint was that Elon pointed out hospitals are half empty. They are. So what's wrong with saying they are?

Defending a clueless and grossly insensitive posting about the state of the healthcare system and particularly the clinicians on the front line with yet another clueless and insensitive posting I guess just proves the old aphorism that "in the social universe, character is one of the great constants."

It's really analogous to someone coming to a house that's on fire and pointing out that the drapes don't really match the rugs, and who then categorizes the homeowner's anger as emerging from defensiveness about the state of their interior decorating. It's the height of irrelevance. While some rural area hospitals don't yet show a maxing of capacity there's every reason to believe that they are going to go through a version of what New York City has already gone through. And most of those rural areas simply don't have anything like the per capita capacity of major metropolitan areas. So we haven't seen the worst of this. At least in many areas. You have been a consistent force on the website for covid-19 denial and minimization.

 

[azaz]

a lot of the fringe right and Elon now keeps stressing this whole thing that COVID deaths are overcounted because they think scores of people are being misclassified as COVID deaths. have any of these idiots looked at pure amount of deaths in nyc and elsewhere for these months?