Show me how many folks have done this. What does it costs. And how do they heat in the winter! Even though I have 30K of solar, and 5 batteries, there is no way I could go 100% off grid and afford it!! The key is most have gas heating so it is easy to say go off grid
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CPUC NEM 3.0 discussion
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Maybe the lawsuit was dropped after Nevada reinstated another version of NEM in 2017 for both old and new solar customers?
Even with gas heating, one would need a generator for back up in the winter, even if doubling the amount of solar panels (vs. a normal grid tie installation). Maybe a mini wind turbine?
charlesj
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And, also, likely lifestyle changes as well, would be my guess. I mean, My normal "house run rate" for electricity during this time of year, is somewhere between 24-35 kWh, but if I go into " High conservation mode" I can get that number lower... all the way down to basically just powering my 2 refrigerators and a few light or something like 12-15 kWh a day. Thats not using washing machine or dishwasher, or oven, etc.
I would want at least 50% more solar and 1-2 more batteries, along with a backup generator (just in case) if I was going to "try" to completely disconnect the grid, and that doesnt even account for the fact that I am fairly sure that I cant do that, even if I wanted to.
skepticcyclist
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Yep. We are required to have all utilities, gas, electric, and water/trash/sewer. We have to pay even if we never use a single one.
That’s the other issue with me going to all electric is that the gas company will still charge us the monthly service fee.
Because the Nevada POCO and PUC restored grandfathering for existing customers after the lawsuit was filed.
Been in my house 33 years nowI am the other part.
I would not do solar if in military and moving every few years.
My gut feeling is, at least in CA, the average time in a home is likely lower than that. This quick google search turned this up which appears to show that pretty much everywhere in CA the average time in a home is less than 15 years, and in some places its 6-7 years.
How long do homeowners stay in their homes?
Owners typically stay fewer years in their homes in metro areas with a high concentration of new residents, a NAR analysis shows.
www.nar.realtor
Of course, its called "average" for a reason. If that average were taken just from members of this specific subforum (for example), I expect it might loo quite different.
I am running about 70kwh per day now. Heat pumps in cold are expensive
skepticcyclist
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Our normal house usage this time of year is about 10-15 kWh and that includes ruining the pool every day for 2 hours. It’s the summer we’re our usage really skyrockets because of the AC and pool pump running 8-10 hours.
charlesj
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That is exactly what my local water company, Cal Am, did when people started to save a lot of water.
skepticcyclist
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Our biggest month was July due to the AC running most days and we averaged 30 kWh/day in July.
Average per day for the whole year is 30 kWh. And the per day usage for the lowest month, January and February is 15 kWh. Some days we will use less than 10 kWh for the day (winter days were we don’t need to run the heat, such as today, and we don’t use the dishwasher.)
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charlesj
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Yes, that is what they believe. I wonder what a class action lawsuit would do to that?
Prop 13 gives people a strong motivation to stay put until they are seniors and qualify for transferring their basis to a lower cost home.My gut feeling is, at least in CA, the average time in a home is likely lower than that. This quick google search turned this up which appears to show that pretty much everywhere in CA the average time in a home is less than 15 years, and in some places its 6-7 years.
How long do homeowners stay in their homes?
Owners typically stay fewer years in their homes in metro areas with a high concentration of new residents, a NAR analysis shows.
Of course, its called "average" for a reason. If that average were taken just from members of this specific subforum (for example), I expect it might loo quite different.
charlesj
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There is only one member on the CPUC board that looks after consumer interests. The rest do not.
I grew up and remember a friend had a cabin in Tahoe. They had this big tank outside which I think it was for Propane for heat. Could someone put one of these in their backyards (or even bury it?) as a possible whole house heat solution? That's probably a lot quieter than a generator and you would only need it for heat. To avoid the IOUs, I assume they have services which can refill it so you bypass PG&E too for gas service.
Add a generator to charge powerwalls for the electrical side and you're set.
They also had a chimney which unlike suburbian homes, had those long metal pipes up the ceiling so it actually warms the house quite a bit.
If this NEM3.0 proposal passes as listed, I assume with the resources ($$) of solar owners, there will be a lawsuit for sure. I think changing terms after the fact should be a big no no.
Add a generator to charge powerwalls for the electrical side and you're set.
They also had a chimney which unlike suburbian homes, had those long metal pipes up the ceiling so it actually warms the house quite a bit.
If this NEM3.0 proposal passes as listed, I assume with the resources ($$) of solar owners, there will be a lawsuit for sure. I think changing terms after the fact should be a big no no.
So very true, especially with house prices skyrocketing. We kind of talk about it here and there, and comes back to property taxes. Been here about 13 years, if we move to similar priced home, our property taxes double. Just not worth it, that is unless we decided to move out of state, or another housing crash.
charlesj
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Interesting that the $8 per the article is only on residential solar, not businesses with solar. Why is that? How is that fair?LA Times article about this
Everything you need to know about California's plan to slash solar incentives
Want to go solar, or already have rooftop panels? Here's how proposed changes would affect you.www.latimes.com
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