Just got the car so I usually don't go online to find out what the defects are before I go ahead and start driving it.
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@alexgr 's post was a bit on the attacking side, it doesn't mean he wasn't on to something. Why didn't you go online before buying the car to look for "defects" or problems? Every car has complaints for something.
I am real and was scared out of my mind. Your a fool if you think this is a non issue. Car should not be allowed on the road in cruise control mode. Tesla, fix your problem before someone dies in a serious rear end crash!
Now now, please no name calling cause it can go both ways... Tesla has been putting out Model S's for 9 years and Model 3's for 4 years. These issues you are seeing are not new, have been well documented and discussed, and yet they are still happening though to a lower extent, and there is still no mass panic among the population concerning it. If there has been serious rear end crashes due to phantom braking, don't you think there would be massive news coverage about it? The news loves to bash Tesla about everything.
Knowing that there is a phantom breaking problem doesn’t excuse it. Someone telling you they are stabbing you as they do it doesn’t really improve the situation. I’ve had my M3LR 3 years now and most of the driving automation either in the city (Chicago) or on the highway is just so stupid-bad that I just no longer even use it.
If I have to watch over my car the same way you’d watch over a toddler in a china shop, the answer is pretty much the same: don’t do it—don’t take your toddler into a china shop; don’t use the Tesla driving automation.
The best part is that WE PAY for the privilege to beta test their software, contribute data to the models, help them bugtest their code—at our own personal risk (and I’m not including and making excuses for those yahoos that turn on autopilot while sleeping/sitting in the passenger seat/etc.) And we’re paying full price to do it! It’s not like we’re getting some kinda deal—TACC is going to cost the same regardless (I know FSD is going to increase).
I find this ‘imminent release of FSD’ highly dubious given how the software currently performs on anything less than absolutely perfect conditions—and if that’s their requirements to use it, that’s false advertising and they need to offer a refund to anyone that wants it.
No knowing about the issue doesn't excuse it, but it makes it known, well known in fact, but again if it was such a serious problem, there would be a lot more news coverage about it...And getting rid of the radar should help to reduce the phantom braking issue in a lot of scenarios. Concerning "stupid-bad" actions, it's all relative. If you do a navigate on autopilot on a completely empty highway, it will work pretty darn good, but as you add more and more random drivers, all with different driving styles and "stupid-bad" behavior themselves, then the Tesla is fighting against randomly occurring "stupid-bad" driving my the humans on the road. As more and more automated driving vehicles(all manufacturers) get on the roads, do you think it is going to get better or worse? I say it is going to get worse, but at some point it will get better as the percentage of automated driving reaches a critical point for the volume of traffic.
You must be an attorney and a crazy one at that. People don't buy a new cars and have these issues. The person who delivered the car wasn't with me 5 minutes. These are major problems that Tesla has that needs to be addressed. They should have a class that explains You could be rear ended and killed at a high rate of speed using the cruise control when your car panic slows from 65 to 40 in 2 seconds!!!
There should be a class, you want to go there...these forums have been discussing these issues for many many years. I know you probably just made the numbers up but 65-40 in 2 seconds is not really bad and someone following at an appropriate distance would have plenty of time to react to that. Even if they were a bit close, if they are paying attention they should have time to react. Also if YOU were paying attention YOU should have been able to react faster than that to press on the accelerator to stop the deceleration.(I know you are going to fight this point like all the others have in the past). Ohh and 65-40 in 2 seconds would result in -.57G's of deceleration.
@alexgr While your initial post that I and others complained about was a bit mean, clearly we are dealing with the same kinds of complaints that are meant only to complain and by people who don't really want to learn anything. And for the record, I didn't have any doubt of that since the beginning, I just start in to people a little slower...let them really stick their foot in their mouth first, haha.