sdoorex
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The way Tesla is treating salvage cars is to disable all DCFC. So, the answer to the latter is no and the former is probably also no.
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Dc combo for USA port
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The way Tesla is treating salvage cars is to disable all DCFC. So, the answer to the latter is no and the former is probably also no.
Even a 100 KW option would be totally useful. Not an engineer (but am a technologist) but I suspect an adapter over 100 KW might be tough. That however is just my opinion based on nothing but a hunch.
The passive CCS Type 2 adapter that Tesla uses in Europe for the S&X is limited to ~142kW.
There is 2 separate options
Sc
Other fc
In general Tesla disable Sc, problem is other FC can be not enabled from factory, meaning, after disable Sc , both are disabled...
At the end of the day, Tesla's mission is to advance the use of renewable energy. The supercharging network is a brilliant idea to promote that and to sell more cars. I've always felt that the ability to use any DC fast charger adds value to a Tesla. Myself, I have one Tesla, and I am seriously considering buying another. A big factor in my purchase will be the availability of DC fast charging... (And adding more service centers, but I am getting off topic now...)
AdamMacDon
Member
Yeah, I'm very familiar with the super secret plan, and I fully support that. I love my Tesla too, but that doesn't mean I have to agree with every decision the company makes. Forcing us to use their network for charging isn't really ideal, IMO. Back when it was free (promised initially as "free forever" by Elon), I didn't mind so much, but as the price keeps climbing every year and energy prices are actually going down, my opinion is changing.
The cost of the Supercharger network to Tesla is governed by a lot more than the price of electricity.
Anyway, I am intrigued by the new third-party CCS adapter, but will wait until I have better assurance of its safety, reliability, and effectiveness.
Did I miss something? Is it available yet? I'd get it now if it was available (and reasonable priced)
Reeler
Decade of Pure EV Driving
I am sure Tesla can easily do it. After the retrofit issues in Europe, I bet new units were designed to easily take an adapter even in North America. They see the writing on the wall.
As to why, it is simply that they want to force folks to their Superchargers. The more use they get from paying customers, the more they can build things out. Tesla is all about proprietary solutions and having a captive audience is a dream. They will only provide an adapter when forced to like they were in Europe.
I think the main reason they provided an adapter for S & X vehicles in Europe was so that they could use the V3 Superchargers that only have CCS connectors. As Tesla continues to build out the network with new sites as V3-Only, it was going to become a problem.
Hopefully you don't need the ID.4 right away: Volkswagen's Electric ID.4 Is Already Delayed For America: Report
Though a three month delay, if it stays that short, isn't so bad.
That is correct. Model 3's already have CCS built into the car, S and X use the adapter (plus a hardware retrofit if an older build).
All V2 Superchargers in Europe, Australia and New Zealand have been upgraded to dual cables with the Tesla Type-2 and CCS cables.
All V3 Superchargers installed in Europe only have CCS connectors. Therefore, only Tesla vehicles with a CCS charge port like the Model 3 or Tesla vehicles with a CCS to Type-2 adapter like is available for Model S and Model X can charge at those stations. If your Model S or X vehicle is older and does not have the hardware to speak the CCS protocol, the new V3 stations will not show up on the car's navigation screen. The opposite was also true when V2 Superchargers had not been updated with CCS cables, Model 3 cars would not show sites that had not been upgraded.
So do you think that that means, long-run, the native Tesla connector is on the way out? I have not personally tried a CCS (given that I have a North American Tesla), but I have seen it and it looks a bit clunky compared to the Tesla connector. And certainly the Tesla connector is capable of V3 charging, given that is what we have on new Superchargers in North America.
I can see the advantage of a single industry wide standard, but I would be happy enough if Tesla kept its proprietary solution for its Supercharger network, provided that a good CCS adapter was also available for places where a Supercharger is not available.
I can see the advantage of a single industry wide standard, but I would be happy enough if Tesla kept its proprietary solution for its Supercharger network, provided that a good CCS adapter was also available for places where a Supercharger is not available.
MasterC17
Active Member
Strongly doubt Tesla connector is on the way out. They have the largest charging network in North America. And you're right, it's WAY less clunky than CCS. It may also require Tesla to change every adapter on all Superchargers, not going to happen. Tesla will stick with their own connector for Supercharging, but I hope they offer a CCS adapter so we have other options as well.
FMinMI
Member
I wouldn't be surprised to see Tesla adding CCS connectors to all new/replaced SuC 'pumps' (cans? stalls?), then going with a mix of single CCS and CCS/Telsa pumps at new sites, then down to just 1 or 2 Tesla dedicated pumps per site with the rest CCS-only, just like EA is doing with CHAdeMO (only having 1 or 2 with both, and the rest CCS per charge location). Timing will be based on aggregated statistics of vehicles they see charging at various sites and with which connection...
But, with that said, it won't been soon, at least here in the US. I would bet 5 years out before they start phasing them out.
HyperionMark
Member
I'd take that bet. People also said that about Apple, but most people realized they never would. Just like Apple, it may take a wireless standard to finally phase their plug out.
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