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I’m sure it’s all in my head, but the 10th is the deadline to accept the new order agreement. I tend not to be a conspiracist, but this new agreement, the EPA changes, the efficiency package and horn, and a few cryptic tweets make me think something is happening.
It actually doesn’t make sense to be asked to accept a change and in some cases accept a higher price like some Plaid orders, but keep the “redesigns” secret. I suspect very little changes on the 10th but some improvements are likely to come in at a random time in 2024 including ambient lights, improved wheel or yoke and who knows what else.
 
That's not what the tax code says...jy1783

When a buyer chooses to transfer the credit, registered dealers will reduce the purchase price of the vehicle or provide cash to the buyer. The amount provided must equal the full amount of the credit available for the eligible vehicle. When completing the sale, the dealer will electronically submit information regarding the transfer, including a time of sale report, to receive an advance payment for the value of the credit. The IRS expects to issue advance payments within 72 hours.


U.S. Department of the Treasury, IRS Release Guidance to Expand Access to Clean Vehicle Tax Credits, Help Car Dealers Grow Businesses​


October 6, 2023
Starting in January Inflation Reduction Act Provision Will Allow Consumers to Transfer Credit to Car Dealer, Reducing Purchase Price of New and Previously Owned Clean Vehicles at Time of Sale
WASHINGTON – As part of Bidenomics and the Biden-Harris Administration’s Investing in America agenda, the U.S. Department of the Treasury and the Internal Revenue Service (IRS) today released guidance that will lower costs for consumers and help car dealers grow their businesses by increasing access to Inflation Reduction Act credits at point of sale for new and previously owned clean vehicles. Researchers have found that consumers overwhelmingly prefer an immediate rebate at point of sale.
Under the Inflation Reduction Act, consumers can choose to transfer their new clean vehicle credit of up to $7,500 and their previously owned clean vehicle credit of up to $4,000 to a car dealer starting January 1, 2024. This will effectively lower the vehicle’s purchase price by providing consumers with an upfront down payment on their clean vehicle at the point of sale, rather than having to wait to claim their credit on their tax return the next year. Only vehicles purchased under the consumer clean vehicle credits are eligible for this benefit.
Today’s guidance provides additional information on registration requirements and how the mechanics of this transfer will work for car dealers. The guidance also provides proposed eligibility rules for the previously owned clean vehicle credit that would give consumers more certainty regarding their ability to claim and to transfer the credit. The guidance would clarify that eligible consumers may transfer the full value of the new or previously owned vehicle credit regardless of their individual tax liability.
“President Biden’s Investing in America agenda is focused on lowering transportation costs for consumers and giving American car companies the tools to lead the market,” said Chief Implementation Officer for the Inflation Reduction Act Laurel Blatchford. “For the first time, the Inflation Reduction Act allows consumers to reduce the up-front cost of a clean vehicle, expanding consumer choices and helping car dealers expand their businesses. The IRS has focused on streamlining this process for car dealers as part of its commitment to improving service and helping taxpayers claim the credits they are eligible for.”
Later this month, dealers will be able to register via IRS Energy Credits Online, a new website. This registration is a requirement for dealers to offer consumers clean energy tax credits for qualifying electrified products. Starting in January, registered dealers will be able to submit clean vehicle sales information to the IRS and promptly receive payment for transferred credits. Energy Credits Online demonstrates the IRS’ commitment to delivering a world-class customer service experience and helping taxpayers receive the credits and deductions they are eligible for.
A modern tax administration system is key to achieving the economic, energy security, and climate goals of the Inflation Reduction Act.
For buyers to be eligible to claim or transfer a credit starting January 1, 2024, the dealer they purchase their vehicle from must first register with Energy Credits Online. Dealers will also use Energy Credits Online to submit “time of sale” reports, which will confirm vehicles’ eligibility for a credit, whether or not the buyer chooses to transfer the credit to the dealer.
When a buyer chooses to transfer the credit, registered dealers will reduce the purchase price of the vehicle or provide cash to the buyer. The amount provided must equal the full amount of the credit available for the eligible vehicle. When completing the sale, the dealer will electronically submit information regarding the transfer, including a time of sale report, to receive an advance payment for the value of the credit. The IRS expects to issue advance payments within 72 hours.

To provide clarity and certainty, the dealer will provide buyers with required disclosures as part of the credit transfer and electronic time-of-sale submission process and with written confirmation that the vehicle they’re buying is eligible for a credit and the credit amount.
Today’s guidance proposes rules regarding who is eligible to elect to transfer the credit to the dealer, and under what circumstances these taxpayers may have to pay back some of the transferred credit.
Consumers may transfer the credit if they attest that they believe they are eligible, including that they fell below the applicable income thresholds in the prior year or expect to be below these thresholds in the year the vehicle is placed in service. Consumers will need to directly repay the full value of a transferred tax credit to the IRS when filing their taxes if they exceed the applicable modified adjusted gross income limitation.
The guidance also would include important safeguards to help prevent fraud or abuse. These measures would help ensure only verified, tax-compliant dealers will get the benefit of advance payments from the IRS and only eligible vehicles will get the benefit of the credit. These measures would collect and verify information received from the dealer during the IRS Energy Credits Online dealer registration process. A registration ID is provided to the dealer only once the IRS is confident in validity of the registration. Fact sheets, FAQs, checklists and other materials for consumers and dealers will be made available before the end of the year.
Today’s guidance would also provide clarity regarding the federal income tax treatment of the transferred credit and advance payment for the buyer and the dealer. Under the proposed rules, credit transfers and advance payments would generally not affect dealers’ tax liability. Payment of the value of the transferred credit by the dealer to the consumer would be treated as repaid by the consumer to the dealer as part of the purchase price of the vehicle, and therefore be treated as an amount realized by the dealer.
Advance payments received by the dealer would not be treated as a tax credit to the dealer and may exceed the dealer’s regular tax liability. Advance payments received by the dealer would not be includible in the gross income of the dealer. The payment made by the dealer to the consumer in exchange for the transferred credit would not be deductible by the dealer. The payment made by the dealer to the consumer (in the form of a cash payment, down payment, or partial down payment) would not be includible in the gross income of the consumer.
I can wait one more week to make that online order to see if anything changes, besides it says Feb for delivery time frame regardless.
 
Teslas typically update when they're ready. They don't put out updates when a new year starts.

I really doubt you'll see anything any time soon, except possibly an improved yoke with a traditional horn button, which has been "coming soon" for months now.
2023 model year came with bigger rear screen and swivel center screen. Also took away front door sensors. So there should be something with the next model year. Of course there will be more during the year, but you can't count out the initial updates came with the new year model
 
Nope. SC said they left a message for the manager to call me back during business hours on Monday. Sales Advisor texted me back and said he’ll look into it. Tesla 1888 service line (3 agents, a transfer and 2 “disconnections” 🙄 later), “daphne” said there’s nothing anyone can do and told me to accept the price change or cancel. Apparently she’s also the end all be all cus she said she has no manager and can’t refer me to anyone else to escalate this issue. TBH, at this price point, another $5k is no big deal but this whole experience is upsetting.

Update: so apparently Daphne is REALLY the end all be all. She called me back and said they can resolve it internally and to wait for an updated email. 🙌
Do you have any update? I also spoke with customer support and was told a ticket is raised and that I will get a callback, but havent received anything yet.
 
Yes. They said they’ll honor the old price & update it internally and don’t reconfigure online. You should go to the SC or keep calling to confirm with a rep.
Yep. This is exactly what happened with me yesterday too. Go speak with someone. Don’t do it online yourself. They need to do it from the back office and it will just refresh on co Sumer facing end when it’s done.
 
Just got a call from Tesla, an amazing feat in itself. The gentleman, Chandler, let me know the email triggered from the feature and range changes are tied to the 2024 model year, so I will be getting a 2024 (all of us that got that email). For comfort and features all he was able to say was an update to dual zone cooling, and a computer change. I asked still HW4 and MPU3 and he said yes, but no knowledge of what processor where is changed, ugh. Then the account website, only that Tesla is aware and working on it. I should have asked about POS tax credit - will do that when closer to delivery. Anyway, a little more info!
 
Just got a call from Tesla, an amazing feat in itself. The gentleman, Chandler, let me know the email triggered from the feature and range changes are tied to the 2024 model year, so I will be getting a 2024 (all of us that got that email). For comfort and features all he was able to say was an update to dual zone cooling, and a computer change. I asked still HW4 and MPU3 and he said yes, but no knowledge of what processor where is changed, ugh. Then the account website, only that Tesla is aware and working on it. I should have asked about POS tax credit - will do that when closer to delivery. Anyway, a little more info!
I got that email too, if I upgraded to a plaid to get sooner, would that also be a 2024?