NigelM
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Looking at the poll results after 71 people responded, there's only one person to worry about.
Looking at the poll results after 71 people responded, there's only one person to worry about.
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Do you know that you must keep your battery charged?
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Heh, I'll beat this drum again, polls here aren't terribly useful if they're trying to reflect society at large. Polls here are only a useful reflection for the obsessive early adopters that inhabit this forum.
stopcrazypp
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Storage temperature is a different issue (it might damage your battery and cause permanent capacity loss, but probably won't completely destroy it like the current issue). Right now the issue is leaving it unplugged with low charge.
AFAIK, the AC doesn't turn on if the car is not plugged it (that's a bad engineering decision if it does, because the AC would be a huge drain). Can anyone with a Roadster verify this?
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Good to know they put it that much in your face (though they don't outright say it'll destroy your battery; they sue much softer words). In any case, if Tesla makes this 100% known then that's a step in the right direction. If you had it in your face that this could happen (something the emailer says he didn't), then you can only blame yourself.
I really don't know how you could have missed it. It has been talked about here numerous times in great detail. I guess some people are just more observant than others.
stopcrazypp
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That's almost EXACTLY the same as the Leaf's warranty (page 9 in this booklet http://www.mynissanleaf.com/wiki/images/f/fe/2012-leaf-warranty-booklet.pdf):
That's show you how much you can trust the words of PR flacks, and the supposed effectiveness of the Leaf "cut-off" technique.
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medved
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I don't like the questions in the poll so i didn't vote. There should be a question like: Did you know that the battery can be killed if not plugged for several days? My answer would be no. It is NOT mentioned on Tesla's website. There is nothing about the 'brick' problem. That is way I am upset.
I didn't really mean it as a put down to you specifically, it's just a very basic thing when caring for any rechargeable battery. I just cannot imagine how somebody that is really interested in EV's could miss it. I guess I just assume that everybody on here is a car guy, and is interested in how a Tesla EV works.
I suppose, but just from tidbits in discussions here and there, that always equated in my mind to "loss of range". I.e. doing that a lot damages the pack which means my ideal miles drops more sharply than it normally would.
Again though, if, at the time of sale, Tesla makes this 100% clear to every purchaser, then there's no *real* issue. It's scary, but also easily manageable and you just have to be aware of the consequences.
I definitely am, but I still don't know everything there is to know, and this was one of them. Color me ignorant. I'm a car guy, but I can't build an engine from scratch, though I can typically fix minor issues. I think you can be into something and not know every single nook and cranny of the topic. I missed this, but am glad I now know (and got some stock in the hysteria surrounding it
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I agree. Tesla should say something like 'letting the battery sit without a charge can severely damage the batter beyond repair. This would not be covered under warranty and would be your (the owner's) responsibility to pay for the new battery'
Well, maybe something positive came out of all of this Bs after all. :smile:I definitely am, but I still don't know everything there is to know, and this was one of them. Color me ignorant. I'm a car guy, but I can't build an engine from scratch, though I can typically fix minor issues. I think you can be into something and not know every single nook and cranny of the topic. I missed this, but am glad I now know (and got some stock in the hysteria surrounding it
I am 95% certain that the Roadster will use the AC to cool the pack in high temperature conditions when not plugged in. I have not witnessed it running myself but I have been told that it was running when parked in the sun on a hot day and I have seen significant ideal mileage loss on very hot days.
The point of my post was that the car may be fully charged when being put into storage but due to high temp could fully discharge the pack in an unusually short time.
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medved
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My comment on Green Car Reports:
How many "middle-class families" leave a car idle for months on end?
Is it reasonable to expect that you can simply ignore a manufacturer's instructions on safe operation of a product and then, after destroying the product through irresponsible abuse, ask the manufacturer to pay for your folly?
I have zero sympathy with this guy, too feckless to follow basic instructions on the care of an expensive item, and too quick to cry "victim" rather than fess up to his own stupidity.
Why can't people own up to their own mistakes, instead of finding someone else to blame?
How many "middle-class families" leave a car idle for months on end?
Is it reasonable to expect that you can simply ignore a manufacturer's instructions on safe operation of a product and then, after destroying the product through irresponsible abuse, ask the manufacturer to pay for your folly?
I have zero sympathy with this guy, too feckless to follow basic instructions on the care of an expensive item, and too quick to cry "victim" rather than fess up to his own stupidity.
Why can't people own up to their own mistakes, instead of finding someone else to blame?
This is pretty much how I feel. Nobody seems to want to take responsibility for their actions anymore.
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