Terrible service experience, why my 2023 Model S is a regrettable purchase

[Dear_OP]

Service quality aside. Curious if these are limited to build location?

How are the ones coming out of Berlin or Shanghai plants?

 

[Gixx1300R]

I have seaid it once and I will say it again. Get a lawyer. Tela has a history of doing this and also not honoring warranties

 

[Wyomingtim]

Which is why I asked upthread which service center this was, it does make a difference. I have been going to Portland OR since my first Tesla in 2015 and they have been excellent but since they opened a center closer to me in Salem OR I have been going there and have had issues with them. I'm probably going to go back to Portland even though they are an hour further away.

I've been pretty happy with the Salt Lake City service center. They recently opened a body shop location there as well, but thankfully I have not had the misfortune to visit them. A couple of my needs have been met by the mobile service, dispatched out of Boise, ID. Now that's great service!

 

[Milan Djabirov]

This is why I am hesitant to upgrade to a MS/MX. When you are paying for a 80k+ car, you would think there would be a different level of quality and service.

Is Rivian or Lucid better? I don't know what to get anymore after my current 2021 MY (which has zero issues so far).

Keep the Y till they update it likely next year and get the new one. The Y is the best quality vehicle from Tesla’s lineup. My 2022 MYP has had very few issues in comparison- only a rear window regulator and hvac fan replacement.

 

[bobbyjae]

Keep the Y till they update it likely next year and get the new one. The Y is the best quality vehicle from Tesla’s lineup. My 2022 MYP has had very few issues in comparison- only a rear window regulator and hvac fan replacement.

I'm not sure it's much of an upgrade when I am losing USS, turn-stalks, and gear-stalks. Tesla doesn't make this easy.

 

[Milan Djabirov]

There will be after market stalks by then. Also USS is good but not critical.

 

[Trebek1762]

There will be after market stalks by then. Also USS is good but not critical.

There already are aftermarket stalks for the S....would assume they work for the X too.

 

[Milan Djabirov]

He’s referring about presumed no-stalks on the Y refresh as far as I understand.

 

[TBrownTX]

This is why I am hesitant to upgrade to a MS/MX. When you are paying for a 80k+ car, you would think there would be a different level of quality and service.

Is Rivian or Lucid better? I don't know what to get anymore after my current 2021 MY (which has zero issues so far).

Same level of quality and service. But unlike the OP, I’ve had excellent experiences over all. Maybe it’s the local service center he’s at? Here in the Dallas area it’s been great for myself, my Dad, and a good friend across three different locations for many years.

 

[starojam]

What I have learned is that using "body shop partners" is never a good sign. I have only had Tesla Body shops (Tesla Collision) (Elk Grove, IL) touch my car after having many problems with "body shop partners" to the fact that even Tesla re-routed my car to their internal Body shop (Tesla Collision) due to the amount of issues. Since then I got to know people at the body shop and have not had issues since.

For your location the closet is

Tesla Collision Fort Lauderdale​

700 W Sunrise Blvd, Fort Lauderdale, FL 33311
40 mi
954-331-2895

Most Tesla Collision centers will try to avoid warranty repairs as they try to deal with customers that are not warranty issues. But if you push they have to honor warranties. If you have a service manager backing you it goes alot better.

So if you still have issues and they are clearly documented. You might want to try Tesla Collision.

Best of luck.

 

[fholbert]

Yikes!

What state are you in--i.e., what (if any) "Lemon Law" protections do you have? I would certainly have invoked those by now were I in your shoes....

Florida does have a new car Lemon Law, but is pretty weak.

• The OP’s car is not unsafe to drive and its use is not impaired.
• There is a 30 consecutive day in shop law, but you have to put the shop on notice the clock is running. If they give the car back to you for one day, the clock starts again.

However, Florida’s Don’t Say Climate Change law has some real teeth.

 

[Yelobird]

This may be a long post, but hopefully, it will prevent people from the pain of buying a Tesla Model S. For those people who have had a good experience, I am happy for you, but there are horror stories everywhere, and I should have heeded the warnings.
I will start by saying that I received my car on January 8, 2024.

1. Jan 8, 2024—On my first walk around the car, I highlighted some poor alignment (panel gaps), and the paint was lifting on the front bumper. They said I should request a service and accept the car, so I did. The car was also pulling to the left quite badly.
2. Jan 20, 2024—This was the first time the car was serviced. They adjusted the hood, forgot about the bumper issue, and said they needed to order new tires to fix the car's alignment. At this point, they have had my car in service for 3 days in total.
   
   
3. Feb 17, 2024—After pushing this service back a few times, they took the car in and installed new tires and a new bumper; I collected the car on 2/21/24, so at this point, they have had my car in service for 7 days, in total. It still pulled left, so I read many forums, took it to a reputable wheel and tire shop, and had the car aligned at my own cost. FIXED. So Tesla can't align a vehicle, which is interesting.
   
   
4. Feb 23, 2024—A mystery crack appeared on my roof, at the back of the roof, spanning out from the rear. It was weird, as it seemed it could not be a stone from the road, and I had no idea how it happened. I booked a service for glass replacement on the roof. Appointment booked for 2/26.
   
   
5. Feb 29, 2024—Told that it was caused by impact, and wouldn't be covered under warranty, ok .. I accepted that and they pushed my appointment to 3/2/24.
   
   
6. Mar 2, 2024—They replaced the glass roof for $1500, and I went to collect it on March 3rd. When I collected the car, it was covered in leaves, dirt, and bird feces. To the point that I could not see the work they had done. It was outrageously dirty. I was told they were under staffed and didn't clean cars. I drove off and cleaned the car. Once clean, I inspected the car, and it was a terrible job; the panel was misaligned, and I could get my index finger down the side of the glass on the driver's side. Body panels and trim had been pushed out, it looked terrible, like an amateur had repaired the car. I took lots of videos and pictures and drove back to the service center immediately, first uploading some of the pictures into the app. They were resistant but after persistence, they agreed to redo the glass roof, and said they would try to address the trim and panels.
   
   
7. Mar 8, 2024—They have now started to ignore messages routinely in the app. No responses at all to confirm an appointment. I had to drive down to have them book it.
   
   
8. Mar 16, 2024—My car went into service again, and they finally responded to my messages and reviewed the video I sent showing huge panel gaps, trim sticking off the car, and badly positioned roof. I was informed that there was nothing they could do for the panel gaps and trim, bear in mind that these are issues that they created. I had before and after images. the next day, they debated the issues via the messaging service, refusing to admit to any problems.
   
   
9. Mar 17, 2024—After getting nowhere in the app, I drove down to the service center to see the service manager. I refused to accept that my new $87,000 car would look like that after paying $1500 for a new roof. I won't bore you with too many details, but it became quite heated as the service manager refused to admit he could see any issues in front of me. For context the panel gap on the glass roof was 12mm wide. I will attach pictures. After a heated debate, he finally agreed to send the car to a body shop to fix the issue. But also kind of said it could not be fixed. I will also add that all staff members consistently use the line 'Tesla are not known for their fit and finish', as though this is somehow ok and an excuse not to fix problems. They kept the car.
   
   
10. Mar 31, 2024—Two weeks later, I still hadn't received an update, so I asked for one. They responded the next day (about 30 hours later), saying it was delayed due to parts. They have now had my car for 21 days of my 82 day ownership.
    
    
11. Apr 20, 2024—The car is still with them, and they have not charged it. I can see in the app that it is now at a body shop, so I message them to charge car, the battery is now at 6%. I asked them if it harms the battery to let it drain over 6 weeks. I was told it should be fine and will last until Monday. (it is a Saturday)
    
    
12. Apr 22, 2024—The car has not been charged and is now critical. I message them again, and point out that no one has charged the car, something that there own manual advises against. I also point out that they have routinely left my car unlocked, and uncared for in any way. I write a lengthy message with questions. I get no response until the next day, simply saying 'Your vehicle has been placed on a charger'. I ask for an update on the state of repairs. I am ignored and receive no response. Tesla have now had my car in service for 43 days of my 105 day ownership.
    
    
13. Apr 25, 2024— I get a message saying that my car is ready. I never received any response to my update request (which seems fair enough after a month). I cross my fingers and hope that I am going to see my car looking as it should, a new car. I head down there the next day to collect the car.
    
    
14. Apr 26, 2024— I go to collect the car, praying it is right this time. I notice the car has been cleaned as I walk over to it, which should be a good sign; however, as I get close, I can see it is a terrible repair. Worse than the first time. The body shop has visibly bent the trim to make it sit down. The inside trim is hanging off, the gaps are the same. The service manager Steven comes straight over. and discusses the repair. There is no argument this time. He agrees it does not look good and must be redone. At this point, I am pretty deflated, I and the manager is very helpful, but ultimately, this is such bad customer service he really has nothing to say. He apologizes and agrees to keep the car and repair it AGAIN. Once again everyone repeats that Tesla are 'Not know for panel fit and famous for having less than stellar fit and finish'. I upload all images and video the next day to document everything. I receive zero response. My car is now set for completion on May 10.
    
    
15. May 9, 2024— I have heard nothing, so I ask for an update in the app. I am told that they will message me if there is any news. I tell them it is due for collection the next day. No response. I message the next day (day of collection) No response.
    
    
16. May 11, 2024— I received a call from service saying they need to keep the car for another 2 weeks due to unresponsive body shop partners and parts issues. I then put a message in the app to document this, of course no response. They are still not charging the car by the way. Tesla has now had my car in service for 62 days of my 124-day ownership. They now have the car 50% of the time. This is not the 'dream car' experience I was looking forward to.
    
    
17. May 12, 2024— I message them to let them know that my car door has been left open all day at the back of the car lot. They did not respond until the next day, saying they had checked it and closed it. Telsa have now had my new car longer than I have during my ownership.
    
    
18. May 21, 2024— I receive a message that my car is ready. I nervously go to collect the car; it is once again very, very dirty, covered in bird poop, leaves, and dirt. The repair is much better, but the tailgate still has a big gap, it is lower than the wing. The trim has been replaced, and is only sticking out a little, but its a shame when you are content with that. I think this is the best they can do.
    
    Tesla have had my car for 72 days of my 134 day ownership - 55% of the time so far.
    
    If I complained about this again, it might become worse not better, as Tesla do not have the ability to either turn out cars made well, or properly repair them. As a former BMW, and AUDI owner, I know these issues would never be called 'within spec'. Tesla is not a crowd funded project, they are a car manufacturer and should be held to the same standard as other car manufacturers.
    
    I love many things about cars; I have now driven every kind of Tesla as a loaner. But the quality control is just not there. They seem to operate using a 'lets see if they notice' Policy, which is why the reviews are terrible. So buying one is a gamble. I wouldn't buy another Tesla, or recommend one to anyone. I thought I had bought a dream car, but it turns out I bought an $87,000 headache.
    
    There is more to the story, but I think this is long enough. I wish I had never bought this car, I am so disappointed.

Awaiting pictures of your issues.

 

[jay1122]

I need pics. Your issues are actually "within spec" by Tesla standard. You simply went with the wrong brand.

 

[TBrownTX]

Consumer reports would indicate otherwise. I am sorry you have had a terrible experience, but you are the exception versus the rule.

 

[Cheetah]

Consumer reports would indicate otherwise. I am sorry you have had a terrible experience, but you are the exception versus the rule.View attachment 1050154

I don't think he is.
I've experienced a ton of sh*t at Tesla (not just with my own cars) and I don't think I've ever had a *good* experience at a service center. The people can be nice, but then the work is performed poorly. Next time it's the other way around. FYI this is the same at 3 different SeC locations.
Not to mention them screwing us S/X buyers over in 2018-2019 as well as last year with the insane price drops.

Regardless of that, my 'ownership satisfaction' is high. I can't imagine driving anything else and I'm still selling their cars to my family/friends

 

[Milan Djabirov]

Nope, he’s not the exception. I just came back from a body shop that fixes some of the quality of delivery issues of unfortunate owners and they confirmed they see too many of these. When it comes to quality of assembly and defects I would believe Tesla is towards the bottom of the rankings.

I can give you another bar chart where Tesla scores poorly on points. And if you doubt this, simply look at the cost of insuring one.

https://www.jdpower.com/business/press-releases/2023-us-vehicle-dependability-studyvds

 

[TBrownTX]

Insurance rates have nothing to do with initial quality or consumer satisfaction. And I know what it costs to insure a Tesla as I own one. In my case, my Model 3 Performance was comparable to my Cadillac ATS coupe it replaced. Again, not trying to dismiss the OPs concerns, but I know at least a dozen other Tesla owners between work and my personal life and we are all happy owners.

 

[Yelobird]

Insurance rates have nothing to do with initial quality or consumer satisfaction. And I know what it costs to insure a Tesla as I own one. In my case, my Model 3 Performance was comparable to my Cadillac ATS coupe it replaced. Again, not trying to dismiss the OPs concerns, but I know at least a dozen other Tesla owners between work and my personal life and we are all happy owners.

Same. Always take care of any concern I have professionally and with prompt updates. Granted very few post to forums regarding a positive experience. Looking at ANY other OEM brand vehicle forum the vibe is the same.

 

[TBrownTX]

Same. Always take care of any concern I have professionally and with prompt updates. Granted very few post to forums regarding a positive experience. Looking at ANY other OEM brand vehicle forum the vibe is the same.

All that being said, if I were the OP I would feel disgusted too. Hopefully some of the other tips shared, or perhaps a different SC or repair shop can make it right. It’s not all peaches and cream for everyone, but the pile on here is disproportionate.

 

[Milan Djabirov]

Insurance rates have nothing to do with initial quality or consumer satisfaction. And I know what it costs to insure a Tesla as I own one. In my case, my Model 3 Performance was comparable to my Cadillac ATS coupe it replaced. Again, not trying to dismiss the OPs concerns, but I know at least a dozen other Tesla owners between work and my personal life and we are all happy owners.

Your model 3 is not a model X or model S. I have had both a 3 and a Y and they have been way better. My 2023 X quality almost matches the OP’s though I would have gone lemon or buyback long ago if I were him, and I still have hope for mine to get fixed. There’s something broken with the QC at Tesla. I’m at service no 11 in 6 months and this isn’t normal at all and also not the exception. The insurance cost is not related to the initial quality but is related very much to satisfaction with ownership which was the category pointed out. I’m sure model 3s rank way higher than S/X there.