Eastern Canada Superchargers

[Dufferin]

When I am in Windsor, I always charge at renewable energy tech centre. It is reliable and the guys who run it are big supporters of EV and Tesla. It is listed on Plug Share. The Casino also has 240 and 120 plugs in the valet parking lot. If you ask, they will let you park it there yourself. I don't have the proper attachment for the 240 so I always go to the energy centre.

What does it mean when you charge and it is flashing orange instead of green?

 

[KenN]

What does it mean when you charge and it is flashing orange instead of green?

Bad connection. Unplug/replug to clear. Push firmly.

 

[mochouinard]

What does it mean when you charge and it is flashing orange instead of green?

Orange mean that your connection is not good and reduce charging speed will take affect. Making sure the charger is fully inserted is the most often issue of orange notification. If you have a tiny bit of water in your connector, it would freeze and that could block you from connecting correctly. Leave it orange for an hour and you should be able to push it completely since the heat from the connection should have melted the ice.

 

[RichardC]

When I am in Windsor, I always charge at renewable energy tech centre. It is reliable and the guys who run it are big supporters of EV and Tesla. It is listed on Plug Share. The Casino also has 240 and 120 plugs in the valet parking lot. If you ask, they will let you park it there yourself. I don't have the proper attachment for the 240 so I always go to the energy centre.

Thanks for the suggestions. What rate does the energy center allow you to charge at? Is it open 7X24?

Also does anyone know the charge rate at the Outlet Mall in Windsor?

Thanks again.

 

[rapoport3a]

In the Toronto case the car is already charged to at least 40%, so the power is in the process of being dialed down.

I don't find any dialling down at 40%. A short time ago I was in T-O and the maximum charge I got was 85A, with around 60% battery. Even for 60%, 85 seems low. I was the second car in the stall pair, but even with that, 85A seems too low.

Anyone else?

 

[Jeeps17]

I don't find any dialling down at 40%. A short time ago I was in T-O and the maximum charge I got was 85A, with around 60% battery. Even for 60%, 85 seems low. I was the second car in the stall pair, but even with that, 85A seems too low.

Anyone else?

A cold battery pack will have a significant effect on supercharging.

I charged in Montreal yesterday in between meetings starting around 50% (there was already another car plugged in the second stall). I was getting about 90A at first, as the battery warmed up I got up to 110A before it started to taper.

 

[Dufferin]

Thanks for the suggestions. What rate does the energy center allow you to charge at? Is it open 7X24?

I believe it was 40amps but my memory is not that good (it might be higher). It is open 24 hours. They use it to charge their own cars so if it is being used, go inside and they will unplug their car for the time you need. It has been a year since I used it so hopefully all the information I am sharing is still applicable.

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Orange mean that your connection is not good and reduce charging speed will take affect. Making sure the charger is fully inserted is the most often issue of orange notification. If you have a tiny bit of water in your connector, it would freeze and that could block you from connecting correctly. Leave it orange for an hour and you should be able to push it completely since the heat from the connection should have melted the ice.

This seems more likely to me as the connector was sitting in the snow when I got there. I wish everyone would properly rewind the cables and make sure the ends are not sticking in snow when they leave.

 

[RiverBrick]

I don't find any dialling down at 40%...

If the battery is neither too hot nor too cold, another Tesla is not sharing the cabinet and everything is functioning normally for a "D" battery pack, the rate of charge starts tapering off at about 30% SOC.

For 0%-30% you might see 116 kW- 120 kW, but by 40% it will be about 90 kW. Therefore, the posted comparison between Kingston and Toronto is not valid since in one instance the car was at 20% SOC, but at the other it was at 40%.

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Between Woodstock and Comber the best stop for now is at the 70A Suncountry station installed by the Chatham-Kent Business district. Unlike most public stations, it is on 240V, not 208V.

http://api.plugshare.com/view/location/17821

 

[Supercharged]

We really need a SC in Belleville, On.
It is the launching pad to areas north such as Tweed and more importantly, Hwy 7 to Ottawa.
Hwy 7 is a great short cut to Ottawa from Toronto and it is also a lot more scenic.
Taking the 401 from Toronto to Belleville charging up at the SC there and then heading up route 37 to Tweed and then onto Hwy 7 to Carleton Place and Ottawa would shave a lot of time off the 401 416 combo. Plus, Toronto to Kingston in bitter cold is pushing it a little, pardon the pun.
Personally, I have to wonder why Barrie went up so soon and why it went up there being on the south side of Barrie and only 60 km or so from Toronto.

 

[decibel]

I agree that Belleville would have made more sense than Kingston for a supercharger, in terms of facilitating the optimal route from Toronto to Ottawa and having better spacing from Cornwall to the west end of the GTA.

A Belleville supercharger close to the "loonie shakes" at Reid's Dairy would have been particularly welcome by my kids.

 

[Ken_S]

FYI: I had difficulty making a connection with the Kingston SC Unit B this afternoon. It had worked well on Friday afternoon.

After I plugged it in today, it started to charge but only for a few seconds and then it stopped. I tried three times and the same thing happened. I switched to Unit A and it worked fine. I was initially concerned that the whole station was malfunctioning.

I phoned the problem in to Tesla and they said that they were already aware of the problem and were working on it.

 

[Depeche Mode]

I don't find any dialling down at 40%. A short time ago I was in T-O and the maximum charge I got was 85A, with around 60% battery. Even for 60%, 85 seems low. I was the second car in the stall pair, but even with that, 85A seems too low.

Anyone else?

It is slow for 60% / 85 amp... if battery is at a good temp it should be around 162 amp (more or less) at stage 60%

 

[PoweredByRain]

If the battery is neither too hot nor too cold, another Tesla is not sharing the cabinet and everything is functioning normally for a "D" battery pack, the rate of charge starts tapering off at about 30% SOC.

For 0%-30% you might see 116 kW- 120 kW, but by 40% it will be about 90 kW.

I took a video of one charging session in the summer.
Initially it was 110 kW (312A @ 352V). Range 42 km.
After 5 minutes: 111 kW (306A @ 364V). Range 88 km.
After 10 minutes: 110 kW (296A @ 370V). Range 134 km.
After 15 minutes: 93 kW (248A @ 373V). Range 178 km. (About 42% SOC)
After 20 minutes: 79 kW (210A @ 377V). Range 216 km.
After 25 minutes: 67 kW (175A @ 381V). Range 250 km.
After 30 minutes: 58 kW (153A @ 384V). Range 276 km.
After 35 minutes: 53 kW (137A @ 388V). Range 302 km.
After 40 minutes: 47 kW (120A @ 391V). Range 328 km.
After 45 minutes: 42 kW (108A @ 394V). Range 345 km.
After 51 minutes: 36 kW (92A @ 398V). Range 364 km.

 

[hingisfan]

I agree that Belleville would have made more sense than Kingston for a supercharger, in terms of facilitating the optimal route from Toronto to Ottawa and having better spacing from Cornwall to the west end of the GTA.

A Belleville supercharger close to the "loonie shakes" at Reid's Dairy would have been particularly welcome by my kids.

In severe winter I probably don't make it to Belleville with my 60. Go Cobourg!

 

[mochouinard]

For people reference, here a winter SuperCharge in Montréal from 0 to 100% with a warm battery :
http://matesla.ca/mocteslatracker/charging.html?charging_session_id=293

 

[rapoport3a]

The rate of charge (in amps) hasn't started tapering at 30% for me, most of the time. Mochouinard's chart, however, shows tapering beginning at 2%, although obviously it's slight and the amps are still above 300. That chart shows tapering down to 85 amps at 87%.

There seems more variability to this than most people may realize.

 

[mochouinard]

Once before, when I supercharged while I wasn't empty, I actually had higher kW for a longer period than when I charged at 0... There is lot of variability indeed... But it still give a good base line... Tesla say it take 40min to reach 80% and 75min to reach 100%. My test graph show 49min to reach 80% and 86min to reach 100%. So I'm sure It can do better under the right condition. I'll be able to get more SuperCharge information when the Summer show it face

 

[PoweredByRain]

The rate of charge (in amps) hasn't started tapering at 30% for me, most of the time. Mochouinard's chart, however, shows tapering beginning at 2% [..]

Actually, no it doesn't. You can't look at the current independent of the voltage. As the battery charges, the voltage applied increases. For the same power, therefore, the current will decrease. (Power = Current * Voltage)

The data mochouinard linked to shows 116 kW for 12 minutes, roughly. There is no taper at all for the first 25% SOC in the session data he provided.

1 min 352V 332.3A = 116 kW
2 min 355 V 330.0A = 117 kW
3 min 357 V 326.7 A = 116 kW
4 min 359 V 323.4 A = 116 kW
5 min 361 V 323.7 A = 116 kW
6 min 363 V 320.9 A = 116 kW
7 min 363 V 320.6 A = 116 kW
9 min 366 V 318.6 A = 116 kW
10 min 368 V 317.5 A = 116 kW
11 min 370V 314.6 A = 116 kW
12 min 370V 304.2 A = 112 kW

(The power figures appear to be truncated rather than rounded; I'm just copying out what his data table shows.)

 

[Kalud]

 

[Supercharged]

I see the BW Butler in Niagara On the Lake has a Tesla HPWC now for guests.
It is, however, dialled down to only 15A. Why bother!
My guess is they don;t realize that it can be cranked up. Perhaps I'll call them now.

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I just called the Colonel Butler BW now and the manager said the installer recommended 15A! Can you believe that? He said it was a "Sun Country" contractor that installed it.
He obviously had no idea about what he was doing.
The manager said he was going to see if he can crank it up to between 40a and 80a as per my suggestion.
I also pointed out that it would be good for business as Tesla owners could drop by for a charge while having lunch or dinner there, giving them some business if not an overnight stay.