the quality of discussion matters a lot. I'm pretty confident that the average political twitter thread will not help you clarify your own views. It just makes you sadder for humanity.
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Elon: FSD Beta tweets
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the quality of discussion matters a lot. I'm pretty confident that the average political twitter thread will not help you clarify your own views. It just makes you sadder for humanity.
It’s true that bombastic broadsides aren’t useful but sometimes specific policy discussions are — even if they are strongly stated.
Silicon Desert
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Put a "K" on the end and you have poli-tick. Many blood sucking insects
Now we need more Elon tweets to get off this topic 
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
This seems like a terrible bet, because as far as I can tell, as long as true Level 4/5 from any manufacturer is many years away, as it currently appears to be, exposing oneself to the liability of marginal-benefit Level 3 is just a recipe for disaster, and it is minimal benefit in terms of driving sales and revenue when compared to what is already available. FSD City Streets is not why most people buy cars, since it is not helpful really in any way at all. Would people really pay that much more for Traffic Jam Assist (which Tesla arguably already does (poorly), albeit you must pay attention)?
May as well let Mercedes take the plunge and enjoy the accidents and the publicity that comes with them. And Telsa can stick with their liability-free viral feature, possibly for many years, without loss of competitive positioning.
Anyway it’s not going to make or break Tesla. It’s all about selling cars at high margin to as many people as possible and growing other parts of their business. People are fine driving themselves, and it will likely remain that way for many years to come.
The key opportunity which could help build the brand and help it stand out is actually making cars safer by including active safety features which kick in and are effective, when the driver makes a mistake. Much more money to be made there for the time being. Could you imagine Teslas never getting into at-fault accidents? Tough problem though!
I still see tons of accidents with Telsas that are hard to explain. Low-hanging fruit, this sort of thing should be nearly impossible with an excellent system, especially when AP and FSD are disabled; just saw this the other day on my way to work (probably a total loss for both vehicles, certainly greater than $40k damage in total - it’s like free money for the taking
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EVNow
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10x better than humans. Its there in the "secret" plan.
There is simply no reason why Tesla should take on a lot of risk for almost no reward.
Zach will ask a simple question - how much is the expected payout and how much more money will we get.
I love the idea of enabling slow speed AP - just to watch the reaction.
Can you image the complaints? - the level of bitching because the upper limit for AP was 80mph was bad enough, it would explode if hands free had a highway 40kph limit
Can you image the complaints? - the level of bitching because the upper limit for AP was 80mph was bad enough, it would explode if hands free had a highway 40kph limit
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
It wouldn't be AP, which is a driver assist system, it would be called Fuller Self-Driving (I feel like this would fit with Elon's sense of humor). Robotaxis will be Fullest Self-Driving. Different products under the FSD brand.I love the idea of enabling slow speed AP - just to watch the reaction.
Can you image the complaints? - the level of bitching because the upper limit for AP was 80mph was bad enough, it would explode if hands free had a highway 40kph limit
sleepydoc
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The only reason would be bragging rights, and we all know that Elon is just a bit competitive...
The other reason to add low speed level 3 FSD would be as a carrot to placate people complaining that they haven't gotten anything. It might also encourage investors.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
FSDMo to avoid the vaguely incorrect sounding fuller (which is actually correct)?
And we could have FSDAF for robotaxis.
So what we have now is fu self driving?
EVNow
Well-Known Member
When it comes to finances of Tesla, Elon has had many near-death experiences and is very careful.
FSD Beta testing is to placate. low speed highway driving (what an irony!) isn't placating anyone. Investors are more likely to think of the downside risk of all the crashes and lawsuits than any upside because of better take rate.
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
but it is giving some people fodder to say "See? See? Mercedes did it before Tesla! They're so much better and Tesla sucks!"
speaking of tweets..
nypost.com
Gov. Abbott deletes tweet backing Elon Musk after Tesla CEO sex misconduct claims emerge
Texas Gov. Greg Abbott posted — and then quickly deleted — a tweet in support of Tesla CEO Elon Musk after the billionaire tech mogul was accused of sexually harassing a flight attendan…
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
There is far greater risk of crashes with FSD Beta than there is with low speed highway driving. In fact, FSD Beta would have gotten into a lot of crashes already if not for the vigilance of the driver. It's why FSD Beta has stricter driver monitoring. The risk of a crash going 20 mph in stop and go traffic on the highway is minimal.
EVNow
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With Tesla there is always a lot of fodder. As long as Elon can tweet how Merc "level 3" is bad, it is fine.
EVNow
Well-Known Member
Yes - thats why FSD Beta is not "level 3".
Question is one of liability - any crash where the OEM takes responsibility is going to court and win millions in awards. Add to that all the PR nightmare. Just not worth it.
ps : When you tell people they are liable, they will be more careful. Once you say Tesla is liable, they won't pay attention, and are more likely to get into an accident for the same software version.
I think the current disengagement rates (according to crowds sourced numbers) is about 1 in 100 miles for highway driving. Needs to be 1 in 100k miles to make it safe enough for Tesla to offer level 3.
Daniel in SD
(supervised)
Tesla is going to make a dedicated robotaxi model in 2024 so unless Elon's new hardcore legal team performs a miracle they're going to have to take liability.
@EVNow is just spreading FUD until Tesla catches up with Mercedes.
The Chevy Bolt came out before Model 3.
Yep.
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fun read:
How GM Beat Tesla to the First True Mass-Market Electric Car
The true significance of the Bolt: An old-school company with immense manufacturing capacity has gotten to the 200-mile, $30K electric vehicle first.
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
OMG! Chevy beat Tesla! Tesla sucks!The Chevy Bolt came out before Model 3.
Yep.
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fun read:
How GM Beat Tesla to the First True Mass-Market Electric Car
The true significance of the Bolt: An old-school company with immense manufacturing capacity has gotten to the 200-mile, $30K electric vehicle first.www.wired.com
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