Ok. Got it.
But where is your basis for the $250k number?
And show your work.
Thnx
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Elon: FSD Beta tweets
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But where is your basis for the $250k number?
And show your work.
Thnx
Knightshade
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This is pretty easy to do, since I never actually said that.
This thread is 183 pages. 180 of them are people misunderstanding or misquoting others.
What I actually said was 2 things:
One is- you can't buy an L5 car today at any price- no matter how high.
And
Two- The reason not to load up a car with tons of different, super advanced, sensors, and massive V2V communications tech, was we don't want cars to cost $250,000.
Especially when you might STILL not manage L5 even then.
But by all means- please cite any examples I missed of L5 cars I can buy for under 250k today
For contrast- Waymos cars, per their own former CEO, cost around $130,000-$150,000.... and are still not remotely near L5.
They are, at best, L4, when heavily geofenced to small areas of a couple of specific places, and programmed to avoid hard routes in those areas, and still need humans on standby to direct them around situations they can't figure out.
Now imagine if you added so many more sensors, and V2V, as to let them brute-force via sensors all the way to L5. 250k would probably be a bargain.
Nobody does- because the cost would be so insanely high there'd be no business model to support it.
On the other hand, if you can actually solve vision (which I've never suggested Tesla has done- just that it's what they're attempting to do)- then you can get to L5 massively cheaper than even what Waymo is spending to get super-limited L4- because you don't the slew of other sensors and processing the much more expensive attempts at self driving are trying to make work.
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I really wish Elon would stop tweeting any dates for anything to ship.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Also just below, OMG, gonna be 
This is quite a step back from prior tweets. Feeling good about the bet.
This is quite a step back from prior tweets. Feeling good about the bet.
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Also just below, OMG, gonna be
This is quite a step back from prior tweets. Feeling good about the bet.
Complex right turns will continue to be
I guess! Seems we’ll have to wait another few months for that update
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Apparently the only unprotected activity Elon is expending energy on is left turns for FSD Beta 10.13. The evidence suggests this dry spell won’t last long, though.
The replies are
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"Hasn't had sex in ages" but has had about a dozen (known) children and at least 4 kids in the last couple of years, including an affair with an employee.
Apparently the only unprotected activity Elon is expending energy on is left turns for FSD Beta 10.13. The evidence suggests this dry spell won’t last long, though.
The replies are
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
"Hasn't had sex in ages" but has had about a dozen (known) children and at least 4 kids in the last couple of years, including an affair with an employee.
When your mind moves as fast as Elon, hours seem like days!
"Hasn't had sex in ages" but has had about a dozen (known) children and at least 4 kids in the last couple of years, including an affair with an employee.
"Hasn't had sex in ages" but has had about a dozen (known) children and at least 4 kids in the last couple of years, including an affair with an employee.
FloridaJohn
Member
We don't want cars to cost $500,000, or $1 million, or $10 million either!
Sounds like your $250k is just a made up number that you continually use for dramatic effect with no logical explanation on how you arrived at that number. Since you have no idea what an L5 car will cost, please stop speculating.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Right- which is why just throwing more types of expensive sensors- without any evidence you actually need them- is a poor approach to building autonomous vehicles.
We already have ~$150k Waymo cars that can barely manage a pretty narrow definition of L4 driving- only in a couple specific places- and not on hard routes- if you also have humans on call as backup navigators--- imagine how much more expensive HW they'd need to throw at it to try and brute force their way to L5.
Whereas if you solve vision, you don't need most of that expensive hardware at all.
Nosken
Active Member
"Two weeks""Hasn't had sex in ages" but has had about a dozen (known) children and at least 4 kids in the last couple of years, including an affair with an employee.
Maybe we could set him a limit on future kids until they achieve certain metrics of FSD? <Sarcasm>
His understanding of time is always in question - "FSD V13 any day......""Two weeks"
Maybe we could set him a limit on future kids until they achieve certain metrics of FSD? <Sarcasm>
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
Won’t be necessary; FSD is very likely solved this year, so no more versions needed beyond 11.
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