dont forget the promise that the roadster will hover using space x nozzles.Autonomy day April 2019: Elon Musk said "that the automaker will deliver a car without a steering wheel within 2 years"
July 2019:
If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
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Jul 16, 2019
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Elon: FSD Beta tweets
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diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Autonomy day April 2019: Elon Musk said "that the automaker will deliver a car without a steering wheel within 2 years"
July 2019:
If we make all cars with FSD package self-driving, as planned, any such Tesla should be worth $100k to $200k, as utility increases from ~12 hours/week to ~60 hours/week
Elon Musk
@elonmusk
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Jul 16, 2019
Just another example of outrageous Elon hype that was never going to happen. And TSLA Bulls picked it up and ran with it. They continue to push that talking point to this day. It is designed to pump demand and the stock. But I also think it was an attempt to keep Tesla relevant and exciting. AV Companies announce driverless robotaxis, I think GM teased a Chevy Bolt with no steering wheel, so Elon goes "Tesla will deliver driverless too and your car will be a huge money-making robotaxi!" so that people will continue to pay attention to Tesla.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
Technically, the "no steering wheel" promise was fulfilled when Tesla released a car with a yoke.Long ago, I used to work at a radio station as an announcer. The Chief Announcer's advice was, "If you make a minor flub, just move on like nothing happened. People don't listen that carefully and forget quickly." That's Elon's credo also. He's slings a lot of sugar and some it comes true, eventually.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
I consider a yoke to still be a type of steering wheel.
There is a big distance between a radio station announcer and the CEO of a publicly traded company. Tesla has done an amazing job with their FSD however they need to be realistic.
Kind of bummed to have to say this, but we all do. It's called a joke.
Well he did, in 3 years, figure out how to land a rocket from space onto a moving platform in the ocean.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
That's great but it has nothing to do with autonomous driving.
JupiterMan
Active Member
what you call hype I call optimism.
In most of Elons business pursuits he pushes extreme deadlines to reach his goals. I personally don't consider it "hype" but instead he is concentrating on motivating and pushing his team to deliver, and I think he truly believes in his objectives and those timeframes when he sets them. Yes he may revise later based on new information, but I consider him to be sincere.
Clearly he does not always hit those deadlines on time, but just because he may be late does not mean (to me) it is "hype".
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Except he charged money for that "optimism". It is fine to push your team to achieve ambitious goals, it is quite another to publicly declare those ambitious goals as if they are fact, which he did when he said Tesla would have cars with no steering wheels in 2 years. And he is welcome to believe in his objectives, just not charge money for them before they are real. I also don't fault Elon for missing deadlines, everyone does, especially on something as ambitious as autonomous driving. But again, you cannot charge money and then just go "oops, I was optimistic, I meant next year", take more money and then go "oops sorry again, I meant next next year".
It has to do with outrageous Elon hype that was never going to happen.
Must be driven by the ongoing global shortage of midnight oil
Daniel in SD
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Source? I went back and looked at contemporaneous articles in the NYT and I didn't see anyone saying it was never going to happen.
And really is it that much of a stretch to think that someone could make an orbital version of this?
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Landing rockets back onto a barge was not "elon hype that was never going to happen". Landing rockets onto a barge was difficult, yes, but was entirely doable, unlike Elon claims of L5.
If it's so easy how come no one else in the world has done it?
Right?!? That one right there should have told us all that everything that comes out of the guy's mouth is BS. It's just that small handful of things that the engineers that work for him are actually able to build that become reality.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
With all due respect, now you've lost me. Tesla could add more sensors to the point of overkill. They could add more compute power. They could also rely on hi-res mapping. Is your point that no vehicle company will achieve L5 autonomy without a ridiculous geofence?
A "ridiculous geofence" will make it L4. No one is suggesting that Tesla should add more sensors to the point of overkill, they just need to add enough sensors to allow the car to perform L3 autonomous driving.
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