HarleyW
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Has the drivers rear door been repainted? The paint on that door especially is awful. I have seen smoother pain on a tractor.
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Has the drivers rear door been repainted? The paint on that door especially is awful. I have seen smoother pain on a tractor.
My thought exactly. Orange peel isn't uncommon on cars (unfortunately), but when one panel has it, well you wonder why.Has the drivers rear door been repainted? The paint on that door especially is awful. I have seen smoother pain on a tractor.
If they have a quality control system in place, it needs a severe makeover. A final inspection should not allow the majority of these defects to pass through and allow shipment. I'd be curious what an ISO auditor would find in their policy manual versus what is being implemented on the production floor.
I can only imagine how much waste and inefficiency they could remove/eliminate by implementing a proper quality system. No wonder they couldn't generate positive cash for so many years....Tesla is not ISO 9001:2015 registered or compliant. I'm not convinced Elon knows what it is. Many people unfamiliar with modern manufacturing assume quality control is a cost center not a profit center. This is why Tesla does not have a true Quality Management System in place.
If they have a quality control system in place, it needs a severe makeover. A final inspection should not allow the majority of these defects to pass through and allow shipment. I'd be curious what an ISO auditor would find in their policy manual versus what is being implemented on the production floor.
I can imagine quality engineers coming in on a Saturday and "time stamping" documentation a few days before an ISO auditor arrives on site.Gosh, can you imagine what NCR's they'd find and how long that audit would take several auditors?
I can imagine quality engineers coming in on a Saturday and "time stamping" documentation a few days before an ISO auditor arrives on site.
Not that I've worked for companies that have done this, or closed out 20-30+ NCR that have been lingering for 11 months.
But really, the lack of a proper total quality management system is apparent. I don't know the ins and outs of Tesla manufacturing, but for the ongoing problems over the past few years, most other companies would tolerant so many repeatable offenses. They're literally burning cash addressing the symptoms and not fixing the root cause. I know I frustrate upper management by asking "why why why why" in meetings. It's easy to point the finger and blame a particular functional area, but ask enough questions and you'll eventually find out why there's a failure in the process. Tesla isn't addressing the root cause, so they'll continue to burn money on labor to fix the issues after-the-fact instead of preventing them from reoccurring.
I guess that doesn't explain our 138x Model 3 being pretty much perfect other than paint overspray on the windshield and one tiny scratch on door trim, both addressed promptly.I am surprised that anyone is surprised by this. I learned a long time ago you never buy any Tesla until at least a 20K VIN.
As long as people keep accepting them, they're not going to "need" to do anything.If tesla is going to continue to churn out cars that have substantial defects that can be fixed but not addressed at the factory, they’re going to need to equip their sales centers to handle fixing the issues or give them the authority to reject the vehicle. It seems like some of the centers just get the cars in clean them up and deliver them without really going over and checking if there are any concerns. Ultimately you do not want the cars leaving the factory with issues but it would make a huge difference if they could be fixed prior to the car being delivered to the customer. There are a few vehicles I’ve seen on this site and FB that I have no idea how they got out of the factory.
We're reading, with some regularity, about deliveries being delayed due to issues found at the delivery center prior to customer pickup. Obviously, some delivery centers are going to be better than others, as are the individuals inspecting the cars. It's a fine line to walk because if you look at any car long enough, you can find reason for rejection.If tesla is going to continue to churn out cars that have substantial defects that can be fixed but not addressed at the factory, they’re going to need to equip their sales centers to handle fixing the issues or give them the authority to reject the vehicle. It seems like some of the centers just get the cars in clean them up and deliver them without really going over and checking if there are any concerns. Ultimately you do not want the cars leaving the factory with issues but it would make a huge difference if they could be fixed prior to the car being delivered to the customer. There are a few vehicles I’ve seen on this site and FB that I have no idea how they got out of the factory.
Has the drivers rear door been repainted? The paint on that door especially is awful. I have seen smoother pain on a tractor.
So if you pick up the car from the nearest Tesla dealer which is 133 miles away, by the time you get home, it's too late to have any paint issues corrected??
It’s too late to return it. You can still schedule a service request in the app for stuff to be done.
So if you pick up the car from the nearest Tesla dealer which is 133 miles away, by the time you get home, it's too late to have any paint issues corrected??
no, that’s incorrect. You can return it but they won’t fix paint after 100 miles.
you can reject delivery, and get a different car. That can only be done while it is there.
then you have have 100 miles to fix the paint.
then you have 7 days or some miles (I think it’s 1000) to return it. If you return it you can’t reorder the same configuration for a year.
So i'd have to basically look it over at the dealer for however long that takes? Wow..
I'm not going to debate if you were properly informed or misinformed.no, that’s incorrect. You can return it but they won’t fix paint after 100 miles.
you can reject delivery, and get a different car. That can only be done while it is there.
then you have have 100 miles to fix the paint.
then you have 7 days or some miles (I think it’s 1000) to return it. If you return it you can’t reorder the same configuration for a year.