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Elon & Twitter
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The law does not care what's moral. Nor do judges and courts of law. YOU might think that gambling is immoral but that doesn't give you the right to shut down casinos or state lotteries that are allowed under the law.
What I think doesn't matter. What matters is what the law says, because we're dealing with a free speech absolutist who has stated that any speech that doesn't violate the laws should be allowed on Twitter. And I laid out the criteria for what makes impersonation illegal. Legal impersonation must not:
1. Expose the impersonated to civil or criminal liability or
2. Cause the impersonator to receive an improper benefit
Did Kathy ask for donations that someone would have only given to the impersonated? Or cause someone to arrest the impersonated? No? Then her speech was legal.
The law does not care what's moral. Nor do judges and courts of law. YOU might think that gambling is immoral but that doesn't give you the right to shut down casinos or state lotteries that are allowed under the law.
What I think doesn't matter. What matters is what the law says, because we're dealing with a free speech absolutist who has stated that any speech that doesn't violate the laws should be allowed on Twitter. And I laid out the criteria for what makes impersonation illegal. Legal impersonation must not:
1. Expose the impersonated to civil or criminal liability or
2. Cause the impersonator to receive an improper benefit
Did Kathy ask for donations that someone would have only given to the impersonated? Or cause someone to arrest the impersonated? No? Then her speech was legal.
California's Online Impersonation Law Comes Into Effect
A California law that took effect on January 1, 2011 makes it a crime to impersonate someone online. Any person who knowingly and without consent
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JRP3
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California's Online Impersonation Law Comes Into Effect
A California law that took effect on January 1, 2011 makes it a crime to impersonate someone online. Any person who knowingly and without consent
"I expect to reduce my time at Twitter and find somebody else to run Twitter over time," Mr. Musk said
- For the past few weeks Twitter has taken the lion’s share of his time, he said, while adding that was not likely to be the case over the longer term.
- Mr. Musk said he expected “the fundamental organizational restructuring” of Twitter to be completed soon.
- Mr. Musk said some Tesla engineers had been deployed to Twitter, though said it was on a voluntary basis and for the short term.
Apparently Musk gave another ultimatum to TWTR employees. Agree to work hard or receive a 3 month severance. Seems pretty generous.
ZenRockGarden
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Thank you for demonstrating that you don't believe in actual free speech. We can now move on.
ZenRockGarden
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Yep. Exactly as predicted Elon's personal Twitter side project is a massive distraction from his duty to publicly held TSLA, and he simply does not understand that those Tesla Engineers are not "his" to go voluntarily loan to his side-gig instead of doing their actual jobs.
Um it says harming!
Impersonating someone online to make them look bad when others don’t know it’s a parody is harming that person.
So looks like it is illegal.
Impersonating someone online to make them look bad when others don’t know it’s a parody is harming that person.
So looks like it is illegal.
So the story goes. He travels lite. We'll see how many places he goes with that cardboard box.
Thanks for demonstrating who you are too.
But looks like it is illegal impersonate someone online. So I do believe in free speech under the law.
But to add to that even if it wasn’t against the law I would still be totally against impersonating someone online when it’s not clear it’s a parody. This is because it should be against the law to do because it is the moral thing.
Impersonating someone online can hurt that persons reputation. Where as something like gambling is fine cause it’s that persons choice to gamble.
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Twitter may have developed a modern day New Deal as a public works job shop for mariginal techies. All that was needed to protect your job was "lean-in" hard to the left and phone it in.
ZenRockGarden
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You don't get it - I'm NOT a free-speech absolutist. That's your folk's nonsense, literally a term invented by dear leader.
I know you can't handle it, but you just pulled a "What free speech is he banning - oh THAT free speech, well we don't LIKE that kind of free speech so it doesn't count". The courts have long since ruled parody is free speech. Game set match. Good luck nuking those advertisers!
JRP3
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You'd have to prove harm. Difficult when their own actions make them look bad.
If it’s not clear that the account is parody and that account is harming that person’s reputation then that is illegal.
What I am saying is you are obviously a person that think that type of behaviour is okay. Therefore you are showing your true colours.
ZenRockGarden
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Nope. Courts are quite clear - unless fiscal or physical damage is done, parody is free speech.
You're really not getting what this term "absolutist" means are you? No laws were broken - Elon simply banned people making fun of him. He's also sacking anyone who dares correct his mistaken statements about Twitter's software - I figure you'll find a way to consider that not-free-speech too
But keep digging - it's very entertaining to watch the free-speechers demonstrate their actual stance on the topic.
Well that would be up to the courts then.
Let’s get this clear. If you think it is ok to impersonate another person online and it’s not obvious that it’s a parody and then try to make them look bad then you have serious moral issues.
No. This move will push out anyone who can get a better job elsewhere. He'll only be left with h1b's who need this job to stay in the country.
Additionally the extra hours they put in will be nothing more than productivity theater.
You’re not getting it. If it’s not clear that the account is parody then I think you could agrue that someone has done harm if that account is trying to make that person look bad.Nope. Courts are quite clear - unless fiscal or physical damage is done, parody is free speech.
You're really not getting what this term "absolutist" means are you? No laws were broken - Elon simply banned people making fun of him. He's also sacking anyone who dares correct his mistaken statements about Twitter's software - I figure you'll find a way to consider that not-free-speech too
But keep digging - it's very entertaining to watch the free-speechers demonstrate their actual stance on the topic.
After that the harm would have to be proven in court. That’s not up to you decide if there was harm or not.
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