Elon & Twitter

[Spacep0d]

Labeling people is the shortcut to "othering them".

You can't hate people if you don't label them first.

This thread is full of people using labels to describe people...many who are probably just like their neighbors.

I am sure if we could just sit and talk I would not use labels to describe any of you fine folks.

I believe what Elon is trying to do is get us talking...not falling into that easy trap of labeling.

Labels are just words for ideas or philosophical positions. The word 'Elon' can evoke a strong reaction these days because he means different things to different people based on their perception. Demographics, right?

Attempting to claim that I'm 'othering' someone is shaming language meant to have a chilling effect on speech. You've made labeling a precursor to hate, which is an unfair slippery slope argument. Nobody's doing anything but exchanging ideas in this thread. Labeling is just shorthand for ideas or philosophy, political or otherwise.

Labels come in many forms and again it's just shorthand. Even a factual label like 'billionaire' is often used as a slur, depending on the use and context. The word feminist describes a set of ideas, and gender feminist vs. equity feminist clarifies it further. TERF is still another offshoot. These are meant to clarify one's position, not 'other', and sometimes people misapply labels wittingly or otherwise.

I make a distinction between Leftist and liberal. I am a center-left liberal. I am not a Leftist or Marxist. Words have meaning, and I didn't invent these labels. People often come up with their own labels to define a set of ideas.

Of course all of us in this thread use labels as shorthand for political and philosophical positions like many other words we use. How could anyone avoid them? If you have a strong position about political ideology, you need to know how to define those with whom you disagree, because they have labels for you. I've even clarified my own labels a few times to indicate my political orientation.

One of the main points of contention in this thread is Elon and the unfair labels (and worse) thrown at him. I've been defending Elon heavily in this thread, and labels help describe why different groups perceive him so differently.

Anyone is free to discuss the idea and clarify a label, or even change their mind. Our own General Election (or any election and its candidates) use labels! Dem vs. Republican. Blue vs. Red. Liberal vs. Conservative, left vs. right, and so it goes.

Sometimes we might discuss a new or less popular label just to clarify terms, as expected.

We're all just talking here.

 

[Raisin45567]

Labeling people is the shortcut to "othering them".

You can't hate people if you don't label them first.

This thread is full of people using labels to describe people...many who are probably just like their neighbors.

I am sure if we could just sit and talk I would not use labels to describe any of you fine folks.

I believe what Elon is trying to do is get us talking...not falling into that easy trap of labeling.

 

[Raisin45567]

Labeling people is the shortcut to "othering them".

You can't hate people if you don't label them first.

This thread is full of people using labels to describe people...many who are probably just like their neighbors.

I am sure if we could just sit and talk I would not use labels to describe any of you fine folks.

I believe what Elon is trying to do is get us talking...not falling into that easy trap of labeling.

Musk is the infant that uses “woke mind virus” and insults world leaders.

 

[Ogre]

Why? Cause Apple is anti Trump?

Apple haven't even pulled advertising. I see mostly app advertisements and AppleTV ads

Truth Social

Follow the Truth! What exactly is Truth Social's "Big Tent" approach? Think of a giant outdoor event tent at your best friend's wedding. Who's there? The combination of multiple families from all over the United States, and the world. Uncle Jim from Atlanta is a proud libertarian. Aunt Kellie...

apps.apple.com

Only thing Apple would pull Twitter for is child porn and from all reports, post Musk Twitter is doing a better job and getting rid of it than pre-Musk Twitter.

Considering Apple pockets 1/3 of Twitter Blue subscriptions revenue (when they happen in app) and 0% of ad revenue, I suspect Apple loves “new” Twitter.

 

[Thekiwi]

My only surprise is that people here are surprised with the share price action considering what Elon did over the weekend.

 

[Singuy]

My only surprise is that people here are surprised with the share price action considering what Elon did over the weekend.

Which is what...proved that twitter still works after 80% of the people departed? If you think wall street hates Trump then that's news to me.

 

[Krugerrand]

My only surprise is that people here are surprised with the share price action considering what Elon did over the weekend.

Yep, it’s all his fault. Everything. The milk in my fridge went sour overnight. Elon’s fault. Supposed to rain on The Mountain tomorrow and then get cold creating icy conditions. That’ll be Elon’s fault. My next cavity from not brushing my teeth and flossing. Elon’s fault. Oh, and that leaking valve stem in the right rear tire of my Model 3; DEFINITELY Elon’s fault.

 

[thx1139]

Just checked and although Trump and many right wing accounts suspensions have been lifted my suspension on my original Twitter account is still suspended. It has been over a year. This is the exact text of what I got permanently suspended for:

"#DoNotComply AKA Go ahead and die."

This was response to the tweet by Ohio GOP Senate Candidate Josh Mandel's anti-semitic conspiracy tweet that made national headlines. In the tweet he had a video where he told people to arm up and if you have to be prepared to fight off the government when they come to force vaccinations on you. He used the hashtag #DoNotComply which the right was using to encourage people to not get vaccinated if employers especially government required vaccinations.

I dont think Twitter is aware that AKA means "Also Known As". I was never suspended before. I have appealed so many times I have lost count.

I really post this, because if you listened to the right you would think liberal leaning people never get suspended.

 

[EVNow]

Labeling people is the shortcut to "othering them".

I "label" myself a social democrat. Because that is closest to my ideological position.

Labeling itself is a neutral thing - people have always labeled themselves and others too. It's what you use the labels for those matters - not labeling per se.

 

[Nathan]

Yep, it’s all his fault. Everything. The milk in my fridge went sour overnight. Elon’s fault. Supposed to rain on The Mountain tomorrow and then get cold creating icy conditions. That’ll be Elon’s fault. My next cavity from not brushing my teeth and flossing. Elon’s fault. Oh, and that leaking valve stem in the right rear tire of my Model 3; DEFINITELY Elon’s fault.

My only question to you is do you honestly think its good for the owner of a company to alienate approximately one half of the country, and potentially impact the purchase of his products? I'm certain the downward trend of Tesla has to do with more than just twitter obviously, but Musk approach to twitter and politics certainly hasn't helped I would argue. You would acknowledge that wouldn't you? Im sticking with my stock and the company because I'm expecting and hoping that this is more of a "short" term situation, but Im not going to hold back my opinion that Musk has behaved in a way that has hurt the image of Tesla, starting most recently with his post on Paul Pelosi.

 

[GOVA]

My only surprise is that people here are surprised with the share price action considering what Elon did over the weekend.

You mean keep blocking Alex Jones ?

Why would that influence EV Tesla stock price?

 

[Spacep0d]

Yes, against your accusation that I don't have any experience in this matter

Fair enough.

 

[Pezpunk]

My only question to you is do you honestly think its good for the owner of a company to alienate approximately one half of the country, and potentially impact the purchase of his products? I'm certain the downward trend of Tesla has to do with more than just twitter obviously, but Musk approach to twitter and politics certainly hasn't helped I would argue. You would acknowledge that wouldn't you? Im sticking with my stock and the company because I'm expecting and hoping that this is more of a "short" term situation, but Im not going to hold back my opinion that Musk has behaved in a way that has hurt the image of Tesla, starting most recently with his post on Paul Pelosi.

Musk’s actions have done TREMENDOUS damage to the brand. It’s affecting demand now and in the future. You guys have to wake up and face this reality. It’s overwhelmingly, blindingly evident, and ignoring that fact isn’t doing anyone, including yourselves, any good.

For Tesla to succeed, it cannot be hated and despised by half of adult Americans. But that’s what Musk is doing to the brand. It’s incredibly stupid and damaging. These statements are purely from an objective investor standpoint, irrespective of political bent.

 

[sleepydoc]

Food for thought.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1594476916865499136

A couple of serious questions:

For those who steadfastly support Musk - what will you say if the poll comes out against him? Will you dismiss it as bots, haters or naysayers? If it comes out supporting him, does that prove anything?

For those who see Musk making huge mistakes - what will you say if the poll comes out for him? Is it just all the fanboys and bots? What will you say if it comes out against him? “I told you so?” How do you reconcile that with the view that many people have about Musk’s poll letting Trump back on Twitter? If you dismissed that poll then you need to dismiss this poll, too.

In the end the poll is meaningless. The many of the people who disapprove may have left twitter, there’s no way to make it random or representative or to even ensure the people voting are real. What will happen with the results, no matter what they are, is people will interpret and/or spin them to align with whatever view they already had.

 

[Thekiwi]

My only question to you is do you honestly think it’s good for the owner of a company to alienate approximately one half of the country, and potentially impact the purchase of his products? I'm certain the downward trend of Tesla has to do with more than just twitter obviously, but Musk approach to twitter and politics certainly hasn't helped I would argue. You would acknowledge that wouldn't you? Im sticking with my stock and the company because I'm expecting and hoping that this is more of a "short" term situation, but Im not going to hold back my opinion that Musk has behaved in a way that has hurt the image of Tesla, starting most recently with his post on Paul Pelosi.

Its not just one half of the country - its the far larger share of the wealthy international markets (Europe etc) where the unfavorability ratings for the people we are talking about are much higher than in the USA.

 

[Nocturnal]

Its not just one half of the country - its the far larger share of the wealthy international markets (Europe etc) where the unfavorability ratings for the people we are talking about are much higher than in the USA.

As much as I think this political crap is shooting himself (and us) in the foot, I find it hard to think that Europe has the energy to worry about whether or not 45 is on some app. Don't they have larger boogeymen to worry about?

 

[Spacep0d]

I "label" myself a social democrat. Because that is closest to my ideological position.

Labeling itself is a neutral thing - people have always labeled themselves and others too. It's what you use the labels for those matters - not labeling per se.


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Agreed, and as a center-person myself I use the term Leftist as a favor to liberals so I'm not putting everyone in the same category. I use woke as a distinct subset of the Left, but not all left-leaning people are 'woke'. Some on the left never use or think about this term.

Similarly, there are distinctions on the right and I try to honor those as well. Not all conservatives are MAGA or religious conservatives. Some may just be fiscal conservatives or social conservatives, and often one can have opinions and positions which aren't popular on their 'side". That's conveniently revealed through conversation.

In 2008, socially-conservative Democrats came out in force to vote for Obama but also voted for Prop 8, which never should have been up for vote the first place.

Prop 8 ended legal gay marriage in California and I was very much against it. Labels help us understand and describe the phenomenon as we observed it, and are useful in understanding demographics.

 

[Singuy]

A couple of serious questions:

For those who steadfastly support Musk - what will you say if the poll comes out against him? Will you dismiss it as bots, haters or naysayers? If it comes out supporting him, does that prove anything?

For those who see Musk making huge mistakes - what will you say if the poll comes out for him? Is it just all the fanboys and bots? What will you say if it comes out against him? “I told you so?” How do you reconcile that with the view that many people have about Musk’s poll letting Trump back on Twitter? If you dismissed that poll then you need to dismiss this poll, too.

In the end the poll is meaningless. The many of the people who disapprove may have left twitter, there’s no way to make it random or representative or to even ensure the people voting are real. What will happen with the results, no matter what they are, is people will interpret and/or spin them to align with whatever view they already had.

The poll is fine. It's more meaningful if Musks followers give him a disapproval so then he can take it to heart. Not to mention it'll have way more votes.

 

[2daMoon]

My only question to you is do you honestly think its good for the owner of a company to alienate approximately one half of the country, and potentially impact the purchase of his products? I'm certain the downward trend of Tesla has to do with more than just twitter obviously, but Musk approach to twitter and politics certainly hasn't helped I would argue. You would acknowledge that wouldn't you? Im sticking with my stock and the company because I'm expecting and hoping that this is more of a "short" term situation, but Im not going to hold back my opinion that Musk has behaved in a way that has hurt the image of Tesla, starting most recently with his post on Paul Pelosi.

Hard for me to step up and acknowledge any opinion as if it were fact. Particularly if there has not been shown actual numbers to support such curious notions. For instance, the way @Gigapress has done to refute others sharing them as if they are substantiated fact.

I will look forward for anyone to take the time to spell out what supports this opinion by presenting factual data. Only then can your question be answered. Bringing data proving that half the country has been alienated will be an interesting presentation.

Will that half include all persons (men, women, children), or only those within a certain age range?

Personally, I would not touch acknowledgement of any such guess with a 420 meter pole.

Elon may have said and done things that have tainted his image. I don't see anyone outside a highly vocal, yet small minority, casting shade upon his companies over such trifles. It isn't as if the number of people who actually have some knowledge of who Elon is aren't also expectant of him to make a gaffe every now and again. It is what he does. He is easy to forgive, for most, and the good he does far outweighs his special moments.

Of the small percentage of people who are even aware, it seems unlikely any significant majority of that minority would take to the streets with pitchforks and torches looking for Elon as if he were Dr. Frankenstein's monster. Though, those who do will do it loudly.

This in no way indicates others share their point of view.

 

[Drax7]

Musk’s actions have done TREMENDOUS damage to the brand. You guys have to wake up and face this reality. It’s overwhelmingly, blindingly evident, and ignoring that fact isn’t doing anyone, including yourselves, any good.

For Tesla to succeed, it cannot be hated and despised by half of adult Americans. But that’s what Musk is doing to the brand. It’s incredibly stupid and damaging. These statements are purely from an objective investor standpoint, irrespective of political bent.

Most people are apolitical, and when it comes to car purchasing,
probably even more. Anyhow, the hate of oil is greater than the hate for Elon.

This despise by half the country thing seems very far fetched.

Once twitter turns around, Musk will again be hailed as a genius .