Elon & Twitter

[joh01652]

And here are 11 books on why and how vaccines are safe.

The 11 Best Vaccine Books to Help You Research Immunizations

In addition to talking to your pediatrician, read one of these books about vaccines to help you make the right decision about vaccinating.

www.verywellhealth.com

Ok, but who paid for the book? What conflicts of interest are embedded in the studies? Who is the author working for? Big Pharma, like Big Oil, can spread their deceptive messages around the world with good-looking, educated men and women in suits. I can't. I have no money to deceive on a mass scale. And I can't verify the studies because I don't have millions of dollars to run my own clinical trials. Clinical trials are financed and staffed by the pharmaceutical industry, the same people who are selling the product. It's like if Bob Lutz and Mary Barra wanted to conduct a study on how safe and trustworthy Teslas are, like, that would be a major conflict of interest and wouldn't hold any weight, at least with me. At least I can go out and buy a Tesla and experience the car for myself--I don't have to "trust the experts." And if I don't like the car, or it is a lemon, I can sell it or sue Tesla to get my money back, it's not like I'm stuck with it for life. If I suffer a vaccine injury, I have no one to blame but myself because I signed a consent form saying I knew the risks, and I have to live with the injury for life, or maybe the injury doesn't develop until years down the road; many diseases have long incubation times, and Big Pharma knows this, they can cause chronic disease and profit from it years down the road and no one is the wiser. In complex biological systems it is very hard to tease out cause and effect, and even harder to design double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials that actually result in meaningful data without a host of conflicting variables.

Look, I don't care if people want to shoot up with untested drugs produced by convicted serial felons/murderers (and yes, Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sanofi all convicted of the corporate version of murder and have paid billions in fines). But I don't and I won't. And if the vaccines really did work, no one would care that others didn't take them because we would say, "Well, that stupid guy will die from not getting his vaccine," and sure enough, he would. But the thing is, tons of us don't take vaccines and are just fine. If vaccines did in fact safely and effectively prevent disease we wouldn't care about nonsense like "herd immunity" because vaccines would prevent those who got them from getting sick (which we know they don't because plenty of people got sick after getting the injection) and prevent the spread of disease (also which is clear that it doesn't because here we are three years later still talking about covid in China) I haven't had any shots in about 10 years now, and I've been playing in covid samples unmasked and untested for the past three years and I'm still fine. I've literally done hundreds of covid tests before the shots came out and after the shots came out. The only thing we really know for certain is that Big Pharma has made tons of money selling shots and covid tests, billions upon billions. If that's not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.

Follow the money, like always. Scientific integrity is just a slogan. The real history of mankind is fraud and folly. People need to ask the bigger question of what is really going on? Cover for something else? A global depopulation event? I don't know, but covid the health response has done infinitely more harm than good IMHO, and I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.

 

[thx1139]

Are you going to do what Allysa Millano did? Sell your American made car and buy a car from a foreign manufacturer which was created under the Hitler regime? How is that fighting hate?

Better to buy from a car company that produced cars during the Nazi regime or a buy from a car company that has a CEO that is now boosting up Nazi's that are alive and recruiting?

You should include the several hundred thousand deaths (minimum) attributable to the Clean Diesel air pollution scandal. That was pretty recent. And very intentional. Up and down the whole company.

Dont get me wrong I dont support those other car companies, but it is silly to say well VW made cars for Germany during WW2. I mean lets be a little recent history. More importantly I dont want Tesla to be thought of as the MAGA/QAnon car company. Like live in the now dude. I used to say all the time I wont support traditional automanufacturers because they actively worked with petroleum companies to hold back EV research and production and until Elon fell off the deep end they had to do far more than make a better EV, which they havent yet.

 

[Raisin45567]

That's because "wokism" isn't a thing. It's a contrived enemy like "antifa" or "libtard" that provides people with an imaginary boogeyman they can claim is keeping them down.

The people complaining about wokism today are the same people who were complaining about communists during the 1960s

Ok, but who paid for the book? What conflicts of interest are embedded in the studies? Who is the author working for? Big Pharma, like Big Oil, can spread their deceptive messages around the world with good-looking, educated men and women in suits. I can't. I have no money to deceive on a mass scale. And I can't verify the studies because I don't have millions of dollars to run my own clinical trials. Clinical trials are financed and staffed by the pharmaceutical industry, the same people who are selling the product. It's like if Bob Lutz and Mary Barra wanted to conduct a study on how safe and trustworthy Teslas are, like, that would be a major conflict of interest and wouldn't hold any weight, at least with me. At least I can go out and buy a Tesla and experience the car for myself--I don't have to "trust the experts." And if I don't like the car, or it is a lemon, I can sell it or sue Tesla to get my money back, it's not like I'm stuck with it for life. If I suffer a vaccine injury, I have no one to blame but myself because I signed a consent form saying I knew the risks, and I have to live with the injury for life, or maybe the injury doesn't develop until years down the road; many diseases have long incubation times, and Big Pharma knows this, they can cause chronic disease and profit from it years down the road and no one is the wiser. In complex biological systems it is very hard to tease out cause and effect, and even harder to design double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials that actually result in meaningful data without a host of conflicting variables.

Look, I don't care if people want to shoot up with untested drugs produced by convicted serial felons/murderers (and yes, Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sanofi all convicted of the corporate version of murder and have paid billions in fines). But I don't and I won't. And if the vaccines really did work, no one would care that others didn't take them because we would say, "Well, that stupid guy will die from not getting his vaccine," and sure enough, he would. But the thing is, tons of us don't take vaccines and are just fine. If vaccines did in fact safely and effectively prevent disease we wouldn't care about nonsense like "herd immunity" because vaccines would prevent those who got them from getting sick (which we know they don't because plenty of people got sick after getting the injection) and prevent the spread of disease (also which is clear that it doesn't because here we are three years later still talking about covid in China) I haven't had any shots in about 10 years now, and I've been playing in covid samples unmasked and untested for the past three years and I'm still fine. I've literally done hundreds of covid tests before the shots came out and after the shots came out. The only thing we really know for certain is that Big Pharma has made tons of money selling shots and covid tests, billions upon billions. If that's not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.

Follow the money, like always. Scientific integrity is just a slogan. The real history of mankind is fraud and folly. People need to ask the bigger question of what is really going on? Cover for something else? A global depopulation event? I don't know, but covid the health response has done infinitely more harm than good IMHO, and I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.

Conspiracy theory is all ego.

 

[thx1139]

Something to be happy about:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602389340763586561

Will believe it when I see it. That guy is prone to lying, especially about Twitter.

 

[ElectricIAC]

The people complaining about wokism today are the same people who were complaining about communists during the 1960s

Americans?

I suppose you’re not wrong about that one. Mao, Stalin, and Sung weren’t exactly the shining examples of leaders that they’re made out to be by some and it’s not because “they didn’t do it right”.

 

[Right_Said_Fred]

I think he has just gone guano crazy

How do you define ‘crazy’? According to me crazy people are incoherent and don’t know what they are doing. But when reading Elon’s tweets of the last few weeks I’m not seeing craziness, I’m seeing coherent sentences and arguments (arguments you may not agree with, but that’s an entirely different discussion). I’m not seeing a rambling man but one who has certain goals for Twitter and a plan on how to reach them.

During his last interview, a few weeks ago and already in the middle of ‘Twitter hell’ as he called it, he had an extremely clear mind and the things he said about his endaevors made complete sense. During the Semi reveal and Neuralink Show & Tell he may have looked tired/overworked, but certainly not crazy. So maybe we should not use that word.

 

[aubreymcfato]

You don't get it. It's what I wrote in my post. It's white people being lazy at incorporating diversity. They make Aerial black and then pat themselves on the back to celebrate as if they solved systemic racism. My beef is instead if making Aerial black, why not make an entire new princess black, show a story about diversity using such protagonist and make her be in the history books? Yeah sounds like too much effort.

I very much agree on this. Phony diversity is pinkwashing (or blackwashing, etc.).
But I very much doubt that antiwoke people would prefer real progressism vs a fake one.
If I'm correct there was much hate against Black Panther too, which was perfectly "in canon" (a original story with an original black superhero, etc.).

 

[italian bread]

Americans?

I suppose you’re not wrong about that one. Mao, Stalin, and Sung weren’t exactly the shining examples of leaders that they’re made out to be by some.

It's a fallacy to confuse the members of a political, social, or economic group with corrupt, cold-blooded, or power-hungry leaders. The average Chinese or Russian isn't the enemy.

 

[ElectricIAC]

The average Chinese or Russian isn't the enemy.

This is true but at a certain point complicity does play a factor which is why I’m glad to see the Iranian and Chinese pushing back against their own failed leadership.

 

[jabloomf1230]

How do you define ‘crazy’? According to me crazy people are incoherent and don’t know what they are doing. But when reading Elon’s tweets of the last few weeks I’m not seeing craziness, I’m seeing coherent sentences and arguments (arguments you may not agree with, but that’s an entirely different discussion). I’m not seeing a rambling man but one who has certain goals for Twitter and a plan on how to reach them.

During his last interview, a few weeks ago and already in the middle of ‘Twitter hell’ as he called it, he had an extremely clear mind and the things he said about his endaevors made complete sense. During the Semi reveal and Neuralink Show & Tell he may have looked tired/overworked, but certainly not crazy. So maybe we should not use that word.

So Elon hasn't reached Ye's mental state yet? That's a relief.

 

[joh01652]

The people complaining about wokism today are the same people who were complaining about communists during the 1960s

Conspiracy theory is all ego.

Ok here is one example from the mainstream media, hopefully this is 'truth' enough for you.

Supreme Court rejects Johnson & Johnson's appeal of $2 billion penalty in baby powder cancer case

The Supreme Court rejected Johnson & Johnson's appeal of a $2.1 billion penalty over allegations that its talc powder caused ovarian cancer.

www.cnbc.com

This is what I would call an example of conspiracy (from the article linked above):
Starr wrote in his brief urging the justices not to review the case that Johnson & Johnson “knew for decades that their talc powders contained asbestos, a highly carcinogenic substance with no known safe exposure level.”
“They could have protected customers by switching from talc to cornstarch, as their own scientists proposed as early as 1973. But talc was cheaper and petitioners were unwilling to sacrifice profits for a safer product,” he wrote.

The mainstream media has lied to us the last 500+ times in a row, just like the pharmaceutical companies, so it seems reasonable to me that they will just keep lying. Crime that pays is crime that stays. I really don't know why anyone would trust these sorts of entities that commit serial fraud time and time again. But yeah I don't know anything anymore, so whatever, it is what it is and people will see what they want, myself included, I know this. The person we are most afraid to contradict is ourselves anyway, I get it. Oh well.

 

[italian bread]

Better to buy from a car company that produced cars during the Nazi regime or a buy from a car company that has a CEO that is now boosting up Nazi's that are alive and recruiting?

Dont get me wrong I dont support those other car companies, but it is silly to say well VW made cars for Germany during WW2. I mean lets be a little recent history. More importantly I dont want Tesla to be thought of as the MAGA/QAnon car company. Like live in the now dude. I used to say all the time I wont support traditional automanufacturers because they actively worked with petroleum companies to hold back EV research and production and until Elon fell off the deep end they had to do far more than make a better EV, which they havent yet.

It's only been 80 years. /S

It's probably been mentioned here before, but Volkswagen was restarted by an English soldier. Although it really shouldn't matter especially after all this time. If we consider someone working 30 years as a "lifetime" in an industry, that means it's been almost 3 generations of employees since VW's beginnings.

How VW was rebuilt by a stubborn Englishman
The irony is that the world's largest car maker might have been founded by the Nazis in 1937, but it can thank its survival to a plucky British officer – and the need of the British army for reliable, efficient cars.

 

[Raisin45567]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1602423299576930307

 

[SDRick]

No, free speech is not the cornerstone of anything. Public speech much be limited to allow debate.

Anyway, this whole "free speech" thing is a pile of crap.

Well that's an interesting take.

Without free speech you get shining examples like China, Russia, Iran, North Korea?

My post did not mention anything about absolute free speech, and very few are advocating inclusion of revenge porn, child porn, incitement to violence type of speech.

One would think that a powerful entity, government or corporate, (particularly those portending to be a public square type of platform) should be able to censor, suppress, shadow ban or de-platform without transparency. In particular, I'm speaking of political, policy and scientific thoughts and opinions. It is this type of speech that should not be privatized (Elon included).

Censorship in these areas are a threat to democracy. The government, in collusion with media censorship is how democracy is lost.

 

[aubreymcfato]

No, that was a cheap re-wording of what I wrote. But maybe you can address the idea that the proof someone knows how to run a business is demonstrated by the success of that business. Especially if that business had little chance of succeeding based upon the judgement of business leaders of the day.

I know nothing about running a 100k workers business like Tesla or SpaceX, and I think I have never criticized Elon about how he runs his business. I don't speak about engineering or management.

What I can speak of is politics, because (almost everywhere) we vote and politics is a matter in the hands of the private citizen.
I can speak about moral/ethics, because we all are able to express our values and debate about those.
And I think I can express an informed opinion regarding social media, because I've been reading and writing on Twitter and FB for over 15 years, and professionally I manage a >110k follower account, so I have my daily share of Twitter and a bit of expertise. Everyone is free to give weight of my opinion or not.

I feel, as many here, that Elon's "usual" trolling has gone up a notch in a matter of weeks if not days, and this has been alienating a larger and larger segment of people, in the US and outside.
We fear this is against Tesla's mission, and I wrote my arguments in previous posts, no need to iterate.

I'd love for Elon to just come back and do the Tesla CEO, I'll shut up immediately.

 

[DarkandStormy]

Ok, but who paid for the book? What conflicts of interest are embedded in the studies? Who is the author working for? Big Pharma, like Big Oil, can spread their deceptive messages around the world with good-looking, educated men and women in suits. I can't. I have no money to deceive on a mass scale. And I can't verify the studies because I don't have millions of dollars to run my own clinical trials. Clinical trials are financed and staffed by the pharmaceutical industry, the same people who are selling the product. It's like if Bob Lutz and Mary Barra wanted to conduct a study on how safe and trustworthy Teslas are, like, that would be a major conflict of interest and wouldn't hold any weight, at least with me. At least I can go out and buy a Tesla and experience the car for myself--I don't have to "trust the experts." And if I don't like the car, or it is a lemon, I can sell it or sue Tesla to get my money back, it's not like I'm stuck with it for life. If I suffer a vaccine injury, I have no one to blame but myself because I signed a consent form saying I knew the risks, and I have to live with the injury for life, or maybe the injury doesn't develop until years down the road; many diseases have long incubation times, and Big Pharma knows this, they can cause chronic disease and profit from it years down the road and no one is the wiser. In complex biological systems it is very hard to tease out cause and effect, and even harder to design double-blind, randomized, placebo-controlled trials that actually result in meaningful data without a host of conflicting variables.

Look, I don't care if people want to shoot up with untested drugs produced by convicted serial felons/murderers (and yes, Moderna, Pfizer, J&J, AstraZeneca, Sanofi all convicted of the corporate version of murder and have paid billions in fines). But I don't and I won't. And if the vaccines really did work, no one would care that others didn't take them because we would say, "Well, that stupid guy will die from not getting his vaccine," and sure enough, he would. But the thing is, tons of us don't take vaccines and are just fine. If vaccines did in fact safely and effectively prevent disease we wouldn't care about nonsense like "herd immunity" because vaccines would prevent those who got them from getting sick (which we know they don't because plenty of people got sick after getting the injection) and prevent the spread of disease (also which is clear that it doesn't because here we are three years later still talking about covid in China) I haven't had any shots in about 10 years now, and I've been playing in covid samples unmasked and untested for the past three years and I'm still fine. I've literally done hundreds of covid tests before the shots came out and after the shots came out. The only thing we really know for certain is that Big Pharma has made tons of money selling shots and covid tests, billions upon billions. If that's not a conflict of interest I don't know what is.

Follow the money, like always. Scientific integrity is just a slogan. The real history of mankind is fraud and folly. People need to ask the bigger question of what is really going on? Cover for something else? A global depopulation event? I don't know, but covid the health response has done infinitely more harm than good IMHO, and I know I'm not alone in feeling this way.

I'd suggest reading a book. Perhaps on how vaccines work. Not sure you understand it based on your post.

This site doesn't need medical disinformation spewed. Elon is taking care of that.

 

[ElectricIAC]

This site doesn't need medical disinformation spewed. Elon is taking care of that.

Fauci told MSNBC. “A lot of what you’re seeing as attacks on me quite frankly are attacks on science“

Lol. I’d almost forgotten that gem. Thanks Elon!

 

[Dutchie]

I usually read only the post on the general investment thread. Because a post was deleted their with a reason that it was ready posted on this thread three times I came looking here.

This thread is real eye opener and may be more interesting than the general investment thread.

I am not worried about Q4 numbers but am starting to get really concerned about 2023 with the CEO getting more erratic by the day. This is not good and I agree that he should be relieved of his CEO position immediately.

 

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You haven't been paying attention if you think Dave is big with the "woke" crowd.

You haven't been paying attention if you think Dave is big with the "woke" crowd.

I bought my tix on 10/21 and as I recall, the ax fell for lots of folks in the first week in November, so the hate on Elon may have developed since people bought their tix. O, and the woke must have some hate on for Dave after that special, so agree with your post.

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

I dont think he’s said word one on it, and prob isn’t going to. Someone was speculating.

Yeah that’s way too big a leap. Next up is going to be promoting D**d S*dd*nly. He’s already circling the drain on that one…he’s so so close! You can do it Elon!

He’s very attuned to those with “pure blood” these days, it seems (check the TL of the one he is responding to). So that would be my guess for what he will do, if he continues his bender on Twitter against the Branch Covidians.

Needs the pure bloods to help him clean up Twitter! I wish I could adjust size of images on mobile - still disabled- sorry…

But when reading Elon’s tweets of the last few weeks I’m not seeing craziness,

Most of them are just discourteous, and I simply disagree with that approach which lacks compassion & empathy. But when he congratulated Jay B…nope. That’s verifiably kind of crazy (really just nonsense, perhaps crazy was too strong a term and not courteous - certainly “crazed with zeal” for all the marginalized “causes”).

There are other examples…

I don’t know exactly what you are trying to argue. I mean, some people are just wrong about things. That’s the way the world works, some things are not a matter of opinion. By crazy I guess I just mean Elon is simply (verifiably) wrong about a bunch of stuff. Yet he is trying to Tweet through it! But yeah, if you are saying we should not use that word…sure. It’s just shorthand (I don’t mean he has literally lost it) but it can mean different things to different people so better to just go longhand.

Anyway, I don’t think it helps him and with his lack of understanding of the basic facts, I worry about his critical thinking.

It also calls into question everything else he says/promises. For example, based on Elon’s statements about AI, I am now much much less concerned about it than I ever have been. Breathing a sigh of relief! It just seems like a very primitive tool and nothing else. Elon playing it up is a “tell.”

Similarly all the statements about FSD, self driving, how awesome Cybertruck is going to be - what do we make of those? I would like to believe they are based on reasoning and adherence to first principles, etc., and thus be something I could rely on to some extent (even if the timelines shift a bit). But now I cannot make that assumption. It could all be total nonsense. I just don’t know anymore.

And I think to an extent we see that doubt reflected in the stock price. Hard to pin stock movements on one thing of course, and also easily rectified at this point if that is the reason. Hopefully his Twitter distraction will be short-lived!