jebinc
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Ideally, this is exactly what we LR AWD owners would love to see happen for the M3 (free M3P- upgrade)....
Ludicrous Update
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For AWD owners wanting a P3D-
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boriszima
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Does it mean some Model S owners got $20k Ludicrous upgrade for free? I did not follow much other than Model 3 news. We shall found out soon enough? what if any difference between 980 and 990, for all we know its MY2018 vs MY2019
jebinc
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It seems some got the $20K Ludicrous upgrade free, if you can believe the posts (same goes for here and the "P3D-" thread).
AlanSubie4Life
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I definitely don't know. There is speculation, based on circumstantial evidence, that it is the max current spec on the inverter that is different (840A vs. 630A). There is some posted information piecing together the evidence for that speculation in the Model 3 Motors Thread .
Keep in mind it is entirely speculative. I haven't seen any teardowns, and it's not even clear whether it would be evident from that. It's entirely unclear why Tesla would choose to start using a different part number now (now meaning beginning of 2019...not clear exactly when it started).
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I like this thinking! But I also like to think the LC Tesla's part catalog showed for the 990 could mean Ludicrous Compatible, not that I really believe that.
Knightshade
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If any of that were the case they'd be using the 990 in Ps- and thusfar they don't appear to be.
Previously all Model 3s got the 980. P, AWD, RWD, LR, SR, didn't matter.
Sometime in the last 3 months (I think April is the earliest confirmed, but I guess it could be earlier) at least some number of AWD non-P cars began getting 990s, for reasons unknown.
AlanSubie4Life
Efficiency Obsessed Member
That is correct for the US. We also have no US AWD non-P data for cars built from 1/2019 to 3/2019.
However, we do have data from AWD non-P cars shipped to Europe, build dates or arrival (not sure which) around 2/2019. They were (for the reported motors) 990 motors.
It's also possible there were zero AWD cars built for the US market in Q1, which may be why we lack data; seems fairly unlikely, but I can't remember, and that was time for the push into other markets. In any case, it may explain the relative paucity of data on US AWDs in that timeframe if a lot were going to Europe.
One of these days I expect we'll have some US AWD non-P owner report with a built date in that timeframe, assuming those vehicles exist.
p-f-g
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Not sure if there are any 980 AWD in Europe. Delivery started end February I think.
WilliamG
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So I just checked my 3P+, see signature (or for people on mobile it was a late 4/2019 build).
Rear motor is 1120980-00-F, which I assume is expected, since I don't believe we've seen any 3P+ with 990 revision.
Rear motor is 1120980-00-F, which I assume is expected, since I don't believe we've seen any 3P+ with 990 revision.
jebinc
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Perhaps we could start a similar 990/980 discussion on the Tesla forum? There might be a Tesla employee lurking who could explain the difference between the 990 and 980 DUs?
MagnusMako
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This thread has almost 30k views. I feel like if there was a lurking Tesla employee, they would have spoken in this thread by now if they wanted to provide some insight on any of this - such as motor or model specific hardware differences.
jebinc
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Was just a suggestion... more eyes, more chances of getting a Tesla read. So far, we have 29 pages of just speculation here...
I don't know how Tesla does things of course, but I could imagine maybe they had many more 980 DU's set aside for the P3D line inventory than they were actually getting orders for, before the price drops and stealth stealth reintroduction. So maybe they started using that same inventory for building the AWD/P3D-. And maybe the P3D line is just working through their inventory of 980's before changing over and making the 990 official for the P3D too? Right now it doesn't seem like any 990's have been used for P3D, and inventory cars with 990's don't seem to be able to be sold as P3D-. Maybe 990's are lesser and will never be used in models above the AWD, or maybe it just hasn't happened yet. There just isn't enough confirmed info for me to give up hope for the 990's potential yet.
I don't think Tesla employees would be able to freely post about these things.
MrBadger
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Probably all too busy pissing themselves with laughter
WilliamG
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Right, probably like - hey guys, let's just call the 980 the 990. And what the hell, let's just change revision numbers to confuse everyone, even though 980A-through-F are exactly the same as 990A-through-F!
ive got a 06/19 build awd non-p if we still need that data (not that it matters)
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Msjulie
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My car was built 07/18 and if I'm looking in the right place, the rear motor is a 990
Edit -> wrong, see below
Edit -> wrong, see below
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WilliamG
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Msjulie
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Agreed.. Gotta work out how to get a pic to confirm.. guess I'm gonna have to back it out of the garage..
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