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Ford says owners can start using superchargers today (Feb 29)
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There's a good reason why these non Teslas will be flocking to the SCs. Every other network sucks. Period. I've owned CCS EVs and my own experience led me to sell everything I own to buy a Tesla. Access to the SC was the primary reason.
I'd be ok if Teslas opened up maybe 25% of their slowest chargers to other EVs.
Or, give free lifetime SC to every Tesla owner who actually bought the car and contributed to the Network.
It just doesn't make sense to open so many SCs to other EVs.
I'd be ok if Teslas opened up maybe 25% of their slowest chargers to other EVs.
Or, give free lifetime SC to every Tesla owner who actually bought the car and contributed to the Network.
It just doesn't make sense to open so many SCs to other EVs.
xilex
Model P3D
Maybe this could be solved with more rigorous congestion pricing.
I want to say I am sure experience from Europe with the non-Tesla charging has let Tesla know how to best manage this.
Ppl are markedly smarter in Europe.
I suspect SC congestion from non teslas may be worse in the US than in Europe for 2 reasons:
1. The other networks in the US are often less reliable. Other networks in EU appear to be pretty decent.
2. The pricing of a SC in US (even with the increased rates) appear to still be less than EA. At least according to JerryRigEverything.
1. The other networks in the US are often less reliable. Other networks in EU appear to be pretty decent.
2. The pricing of a SC in US (even with the increased rates) appear to still be less than EA. At least according to JerryRigEverything.
Hope this isn't a repost.
From Tivocommunity:
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Both are driving identical spec @Ford F-150 Lightning pickups. @VirtualKyle (Out of Spec) can only charge at Tesla Supercharger, while @tom.moloughney (State of Charge) can only charge at CCS stations.
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From Tivocommunity:
"Two of our hosts have headed out on an epic roadtrip: from an undisclosed location in New Jersey to the Daytona Int'l Speedway in Florida.
Both are driving identical spec @Ford F-150 Lightning pickups. @VirtualKyle (Out of Spec) can only charge at Tesla Supercharger, while @tom.moloughney (State of Charge) can only charge at CCS stations.
Follow along at this URL.
Click here to see live updates"
Notice the parking job below.
xilex
Model P3D
In retrospect, I take back what I said, because I don't recall seeing any documentation in Europe where Tesla said it is fine to take two or three stalls to charge. How did Europe non-Tesla cars manage to do that?
Actually it does - if the internal cabling to the battery pack has to be twice as long then it's twice as expensive - costs like this add up. As Elon is fond of saying - the best part is no part - so if locating the CT port 2.5 feet away from the back right corner saves $$$ - then that's exactly what was in point of fact done. Same goes for every other manufacturer since the battery packs are contained within the length of the wheelbase itself.
It might actually be more than twice as expensive, as you might have to use larger cabling, that costs more per foot.
My guess is for the Cybertruck they didn't want to punch a hole and put a charging flap in the middle of the panel, so they moved it forward to the wheel well trim.
You can but you may have to pay for the $12.99 monthly membership charging plan for your non-Tesla EV. That said, I'm not sure if existing Tesla owners who also happen to own a non-Tesla EV would have to subscribe to this plan to receive the best SC charging rates - or if this would be a "freebie" since you already own a Tesla vehicle. Perhaps someone else knows for sure.
My understanding from what I've read on a few F150L forums is that it's up to you. If you use the native FordPass charging function through the app and/or the F150L itself, then you won't get the preferential Tesla charging rate if you have purchased the $12.99/month Tesla subscription plan. If you want the lower SC rate through your Tesla subscription plan - then you need to manage the charging session through the Tesla app (and not via the FordPass app/vehicle). I suspect this may be improved by Ford via a subsequent software update to allow the Tesla membership data to be used even when using the native FordPass app/vehicle interface - but I don't think this is the case today.
sleepydoc
Well-Known Member
right but there's no reason it can't be done - your post made it sound like a longer wheel base car couldn't have the port in back. The cabling length also depends on where the charging circuitry and battery is; it's all part of the design.
V2 will be Tesla only. Others should open up once they have the required hardware.
xilex
Model P3D
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
When I visit the "Find Us" website I see three options. All "Superchargers", "Superchargers open to other EVs" (meaning CCS plugs via Magic Docks and the like), and "Superchargers Open to NACS" (meaning non Tesla EVs using a NACS to CCS adapter and, eventually, non Tesla EVs with native NACS plugs).
The maps show that a lot of Supercharger stations are not available to non Tesla cars, as expected from the Ford and GM announcements last summer. They include all V2 stations (of course) as well as many high use V3 stations.
All Supercharger Stations:
Supercharger Stations open to other EVs (Magic Docks, no adapters needed):
Superchargers Open to NACS (other EVs via adapters or native NACS):
At the scale of these maps it is hard to see how many stations are actually Tesla only but if you zoom in on your area it should be more apparent. For example, here's a look at part of Northern California:
Thanks for the detailed explanation. V2 chargers it is then.
Stations that have both V2 and V3 SCs are also not open to NACS to avoid confusion. That may be why some large SC sites are not available as they may have been expanded to add V3 stalls to existing V2.
Ardmore, OK is a site like that. Only open to Teslas.
dgpcolorado
high altitude member
Also Gallup NM, Holbrook AZ and Trinidad CO and many other hybrid stations — excellent choices for those who want Tesla only stations.
However, there are some V3 only stations that are restricted to Teslas. For example, just from my home turf:
Alamosa, CO, Pueblo, CO, Colorado Springs, CO - Forest Bluffs, Monument, CO, Silverthorne, CO - Ruby Ranch Rd, Boulder, CO - 28th Street, Westminster, CO, Brighton, CO, Thornton, CO,
Flagstaff, AZ - US-89, Glendale, AZ, Goodyear, AZ, Eloy, AZ, Tucson, AZ - West River Road, Mesa, AZ - West Guadalupe Road, Phoenix, AZ - North 19th Avenue, Glendale, AZ - West Northern Ave,
Richfield, UT - West 1250 South, Orem, UT
I think they probably just need some work. The numbers that were quoted at the time of agreements were all of the V3 stalls. So I don't think Tesla is intentionally holding back.
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