Electroman
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Car is perfect, except for stress crack in windshield which is being repaired tomorrow. Vin 23XX.
You see? As simple as that !
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Car is perfect, except for stress crack in windshield which is being repaired tomorrow. Vin 23XX.
VA isn't entirely without justification. We've been around long enough that having to put up with the "care bears" can be tiresome, and detrimental to our investment in $TSLA, and the company in general. Sometimes we're a bit quick to judge. I've been guilty of that a time or two.
If this kind of compliant message from anyone -- sincere or insincere -- can "be detrimental to our investment in $TSLA, and the company in general," then that effectively qualifies as admission that (1) it's a terrible investment and (2) the analyst or investor is a terrible analyst or investor. I'm truly embarrassed for this "value analyst" if he or she really believes what he or she wrote. Even if the OP's posts here weren't sufficient to place him or her far beyond any legitimate suspicion. And OP's posts here are very clearly are sufficient to survive any rational credibility test.
Some people are here to share and exchange accurate information and sincere perceptions about the cars and the company. Some good. Some bad. Some right and some wrong. Most subject to reasonable disagreement and differing opinions. Those are the legitimate users.
So who are the illegitimate users who should be subject to scrutiny and suspicion? People like the "value analyst" and the others who are here trying to "support" their investment holdings by any means necessary. The fact that he, she, and they think they are capable of doing so by shouting down and denigrating online complaints and criticisms and personally attacking the speaker? Unbelievable incompetence and completely illegitimate -- and positively embarrassing.
Taking delivery on Wednesday.
I have no urgent need for my Model 3, so had already planned to be skeptical while inspecting the car, and refusing to take title to it if there are any flaws in the paint in particular...I do not want anything other than the factory finish when I first take ownership of it. If there are other components that don't meet spec which can be swapped out later via a Due Bill, that's just fine with me and I'll take title. But flaws in the painted body panels are a no-go for me. (Stay tuned.)
These are all genuine bumps in the road on the way to 5K cars per week. Kudos to @dan180 for doing what needed to be done. I think most of us would have succumbed to the alluring model 3 and convinced ourselves that it could all be fixed post delivery. Your advice is sound and an excellent reminder to check your emotions until after you've decided that the car meets the $55K standard. Thanks for sharing your story, I hope they get you your new model 3 soon!
..because that is all they have been doing the past 50 years plus, it will be a shame if they can't get this right after producing millions of those. A new production line is very similar to the 20 other lines they have done in the last decade, with a few extra automation thrown in.Other car manufacturers have this figured out. I recently looked at a Hyundai Elantra for my daughter and the fit and build quality was amazing. They must be pumping these out in the multiple 1000's per day.
@dan180 do you remember when you configured and when you got assigned a VIN? Mine is also a 68xx MSM Aero EAP but i suspect not in the same build batch - I configured late January and received VIN late Feb.
No, they are not, and it's time for people to get real.
These are all the same issues owners of Model S and X have had to deal with and at 50% higher price points. SHAME ON TESLA for not improving QC after 5 years of production. Elon Musk is the one who has instructed production to deliver cars with cosmetic issues in order to drive up delivery numbers, and only pull back vehicles with mechanical defects. This has been documented by Reuters and others.
The problem is the attitude at the top, folks. Don't expect anything to change until competition starts putting the hurt on Tesla.
I do not think they would have had this problem if they hired executives from car companies outside the USA.
Hi everyone-
I'm sharing this so others can learn from my experience. My midnight silver EAP aero Model 3, VIN 68XX (manufactured 3/18 according to door sticker) was scheduled for delivery today @ 10 AM at the Fremont Delivery Center. Reading enough reports of car defects, I removed my emotion from the car pickup process and expected that there could be issues. My goal was to document everything and only reject the car in an extreme circumstance.
First issue was almost expected, a panel gap issue. The gap between the passenger side fender where it meets the A pillar was awfully large. The rubber end cap that bridges these two panels on the window was out of alignment because of it. The delivery specialist agreed that it looked out of spec, and would have the service manager take a look.
Next, I noticed a bunch of hairline scratches on the tail lights. Looks like it was from very reckless detailing. Not a dealbreaker either, but annoying.
Next, I got into the car and notice dirt on the plastic piece that covers the bottom edge of the door. Then, I run my fingers along the plastic and notice a very deep set of scratches...almost from someone kicking their shoe in the plastic while working on it. Using a flashlight revealed permanent damage to the plastic.
IMHO, all of these were minor except for the panel gap. I was still OK taking the car home at this point. My delivery specialist had the car driven from the delivery room to the back for the service team to see if they could buff out the blemishes and confirm the panel gap issue/document it.
Twenty minutes later, they confirmed that all of the issues were valid and there was nothing they could do about it now. I said OK, we signed the paperwork, and the car was driven to the front for me to drive home.
I was EXCITED now. I was about to drive my Model 3.
Keep in mind that the delivery room is very very dark. You will miss things, even with a flashlight. When I went outside to put my bag in the trunk, the first thing I noticed was a GIANT set of scratches about 6-8" on the rear bumper. How is this possible? Now, I'm just pissed. This can't be buffed out, and is going to require a repaint.
So my options were: 1) refuse delivery or 2) deal with an unknown repair period, without even knowing if a Tesla service center could repair this (might have to go to a body shop). I chose to refuse delivery. The car is back at the factory and I may end up getting a different VIN depending on what is ready first.
The kicker is that the service manager said something to the effect of "someone tried to remove this scratch already." I got the impression that this was a known defect either at the factory or the delivery center and they attempted delivery with it. Not cool.
Not a great experience, but the moral of the story is: if you care about a $55,000 car looking like a $55,000 car, go to your delivery appointment expecting to reject the car, and then be happy when you don't. Take your time to thoroughly inspect the car, with a flashlight, in both indoor & outdoor lights. There is a big difference in what Tesla can do when they own the car vs. when you take possession.
All of the paperwork has been voided, and now waiting for a follow-up this weekend. On the plus side, I did get a loaner Model S.
Hope this info helps someone!
-Dan
I do start to wonder about Elon's desire to produce cars at "machine speed" rather than "human speed". The physics are the physics. When you start moving parts around at accelerated speeds, the inertia to start and stop those parts goes up by the square. It seems to me that it would become increasingly difficult to maintain tolerances. Thus, the robots may have a difficult time in lining up the parts and for that matter producing the parts to specification.
Thank you for sharing. It's stories like yours that had me make the painful decision to cancel my Model 3 order. I currently have 2 Model S cars and will probably just get another S once my oldest lease comes up in May. I do have another Model 3 order for this Fall. Hopefully they'll get everything fixed in their factory by then!