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Knightshade
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Other than the fact that if it's needed to deliver the promised features then it is needed and they'd have no choice
There'd be no obligation to upgrade if it's not required to deliver promised features. Otherwise there would be.
How is this not self evident? It's why they upgraded folks to HW3 if they bought FSD in the first place
Because it was needed to deliver some of the promised features.
Yeah probably. Still, might be best to take the debate in the more appropriate thread?Chuck is MIA. So there's not much to watch
Knightshade
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Neither.
They promised the car will be able to conduct long or short drives under almost all circumstances with no action required of anyone in the drivers seat (for pre-march 2019 buyers anyway)
That is a minimum of L4 under the SAE guidelines, as L3 and lower require actions by the person in the drivers seat under various conditions (always, for L2, and when asked for L3). L4 is the lowest level that satisfies the requires NO action promise.
I agree. I was considering making a new thread because the constant argument was making this thread worthless.
no but the consequences for running into a bolder and off a cliff are different.
For the button? Maybe by Christmas
Maybe we need to start a "FSD Constant Argument" thread topic to give them a place to play?
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
I mean, if you still aren't sure that the driver monitoring the road and being prepared to take over are actions, we have as further evidence that Tesla now runs two separate systems (DMS and the wheel nag) to each confirm you are engaged in those actions when using autopilot.
It seems like most threads in most forums have the same issues with widening the topic. It's been that way since 'dial up bulletin boards'. For a long stretch HD maps seemed to take over every thread regardless of the primary topic of the thread.Maybe we need to start a "FSD Constant Argument" thread topic to give them a place to play?
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And we all agree that if you bought FSD (not just your car) after April 2019, the only promised features take you to city streets autosteer. And even "city streets autosteer" is a very weakly defined feature set.
So yeah, only people that bought FSD before April 2019 are getting HW updates beyond HW3.
Knightshade
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Only folks who bought before April 2019 are required to get them. It'd be up to Tesla doing a cost/benefit on if anyone after gets it but no obligation legally.
Though it's actually very likely if you think about the math that it WILL benefit Tesla to include it for FSD owners.
But then we went over that exact thing- with my already having said exactly that last night- so you seem stuck on repeat.
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And it's not like you can claim you missed the post- since you replied to it at the time.
Once again I'm forced to question your interest in actual honest discussion.
Knightshade
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@DirtyT3sla does FSD Beta 10 consistently switch away from the right lane with the bike road marking (and if so, was it fine with previous versions)? My guess is this is the new Lanes neural network predicting the right lane was a dedicated bike lane and knew it didn't want to go straight, so it ended up in the wrong turn lane.
It initially correctly predicted the path to the right lane:
But once it noticed the bike road marking, it changed:
The "sharrow" looks very much like the usual bike road marking, but the arrows above it means it's not actually a dedicated bike lane but a Shared Lane Marking for cars to drive and a recommendation for bikes to be at that position.
It initially correctly predicted the path to the right lane:
But once it noticed the bike road marking, it changed:
The "sharrow" looks very much like the usual bike road marking, but the arrows above it means it's not actually a dedicated bike lane but a Shared Lane Marking for cars to drive and a recommendation for bikes to be at that position.
DirtyT3sla
Member
Interesting thought. I haven't really noticed that behavior and on the next go it got it right. So tbh I'm not sure
rxlawdude
Active Member
It does look like it's not catching the stripes above indicating shared bike/auto lane. Would be interesting to know if that's happening universally or was just this one beta tester's experience.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Who purchased FSD, since when you buy it determines what feature set you are promised with the purchase.
But again running some basic math suggests that continuing to include HW upgrades to buyers (again buyers- not renters- the math is totally different for renters) even if not legally obligated to is the financially correct decision for Tesla to make so I wouldn't be especially concerned about not getting HW4 (if it turns out to be necessary) even as a post 3/19 buyer.
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