I hope it is really good at reading tow away signs and restricted parking spaces. There is no standard for these signs and markings in parking lots and on streets.
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FSD for 10k, is it worthwhile
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Ciaopec
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A good possibility but does it answer the question: is it right for OP?
This is a good idea but no upgrades to hardware, I believe.
There are people on the spectrum that want an experience where the car fully drives itself. And there are those on the spectrum that are happy with the car's ability to NOA; lane change with turn signal ; limited summon features; etc. So, while he may be able to afford the $10K is it a good deal. By your standards: NO, and probably never will be. A valid view point. By my standards: YES, I am (conditionally) happy with the 6 out of 7 things it is advertised as being able to do. I don't ever plan to be out of the driving loop no matter how good the system may be. I hope also a valid point of view. Along that wide spectrum OP needs to decides whether it's worth it for him based on our experiences and desires.
Ciaopec
Active Member
I've marked through the dates of other promised features and added this one. I'll check back.
Wait until you get the FSD beta after an excellent Safety Score. It makes incorrect lane changes without confirmation and you must override the FSD to regain control. The Confirm Lane Change selection is disabled in this version and in future FSD versions when in FSD, so you must trust it to always make the correct decision, which it does not, or disable FSD. A step backward, to be sure. Just one more decision automatically given to the automated system and taken away from your judgment.
Ciaopec
Active Member
I actually have a perfect score and wanted to test the beta but with hundreds, if not thousands, of negative experiences I'll leave that to you guys to iron out. Let me know in two weeks when it's ready for the rest of us!
NO!!!! Flawed. And Restricted. False alarms every day with braking for bikers on side of road or cars that turned off road and moving so not in front but disappearing to side. I feel stupid for $7k on my 2020 MS. Was dumb for 2015 one too.
AMPd
Well-Known Member
The problem is there’s no timeline on when it’ll be available, future is a year from now or 30 years from now. The car might not be around when FSD becomes reality.
According to Elon FSD was right around the corner back in 2017? 2018?
Elon and Tesla have resorted to threatening price increases as a way to keep selling a product that is not yet available but might be some day.
Of course take my opinion with many boulders of salt as I’m extremely on the side of never paying Tesla money today for a product to be delivered some day.
And that includes vehicles, solar roofs, power walls, etc. Delivery time for any Tesla product is completely unpredictable. Put up a deposit if you can get a refund, but don't pay a dime more until the product is delivered.
CyberGus
Not Just a Member
My problem is the FSD license is not transferrable, so you will pay for each Tesla you buy. The subscription is much more flexible.
zoomer0056
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emailforbrett
Member
You just described my Plaid in it's entirety from Day 1 when I ordered back in 2020!
(Still love the car and wouldn't trade it for anything else on the road)
Ciaopec
Active Member
This is an excellent point and coupled with post #19 from @father_of_6, a sound alternative. The only thing I would miss using it this way would be the summon feature but could live without it. For road trips I would definitely subscribe because it does make trips easier(IMHO).
nilesborg
Member
Not sure if it’s currently worth $10k but that’s the price we got it for and do r regret it. THE BEST feature ever in the world ever is auto lane change on the highway - especially driving with the yoke and the push bottom signals.
At the very least you could subscribe monthly to see if you like it. If you get the full thing it does increase the value of your vehicle (and you build equity while the price goes up and up…).
At the very least you could subscribe monthly to see if you like it. If you get the full thing it does increase the value of your vehicle (and you build equity while the price goes up and up…).
The biggest reason to get it is if you're going to keep the car for 3+ years. That's because if you buy FSD Tesla will upgrade your hardware for free as it's updated.
If you skip FSD then a year or two from now when the new FSD hardware (3.5?) is out, you'll have to pay $$$ to get it. It hasn't been updated since 2019. Presumably that also means that you'll miss out on newer features that the upgraded hardware will enable. That could be something like robotaxi for instance.
They do. They have to. If they sell you "FSD beta" and they determine that the existing hardware is insufficient, then they can't charge you *again* for FSD beta.
Don't make me laugh.. Really, it's too funny. Elon fooled me once in 2016 with the famous demo, and today on my 2016 AP2 MS, I still can't even use the beta.
The HW3 upgrade was free, but I couldn't even get it until late 2019. You can't even schedule for the camera upgrades, which is supposedly a requirement even if you have a perfect score to get the beta.
My recommendation is that if you plan to keep the car for the next 7yrs, it might not be a bad idea. But if are the type to sell the car before then, just go monthly subscription, when they finally come out with a usable version.
One of the big issues (IMO) is that there's no clear line of when it will be "usable". It'll *never* be L5 autonomy, and it's already L2.
I'd rather drive 100% myself than have the stress of "taking over at any time". What Tesla has now will likely be perpetually beta.
I'd be happy to have an autonomous vehicle, but no true L5 autonomous vehicles exist yet. What Tesla has today is going to get people killed... at least members of the general public.
Waymo has videos of how people started behaving behind the wheel of their L2 system... sleeping, putting on makeup, looking down at their phones, etc.
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