Is V9 the one that's supposed to be "mind blowing" or a "quantum leap?"
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FSD V9 First Impressions - General Public Access Seems Way Off
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I am in OC and used to drive the 405 in traffic all the time before COVID. The carpool lane could get a bit hairy at times, but I haven't found it too risky compared to the cities.
On the other hand, try driving in Irvine and see people doing all kind of crazy stuff at high speed. Irvine Blvd itself is 60mph with multiple entrances to large residential communities. And you have people trying to merge into Culver from the shopping centers when the traffic is blasting by at 50mph+. I think we had a period of 3 or 4 weeks earlier this year where there are a string of fatalities. I think these are scenarios that would result in much higher consequences.
stopcrazypp
Well-Known Member
I was going to mention carpool lanes as something that makes the scenario very common in Norcal (although this had died down a bit due to reduction in traffic from covid). However, I see this happen also in traffic even without the carpool lane. People just blast down the lane without any care that the other lanes are going much slower or even stationary. Then you have people that suddenly pull into the lane.
Terminator857
Active Member
When Googling "what kind of roads have the most accidents | fatalities" I see the links list freeways, highways, and rural roads.
Here are some of the links:
www.valuepenguin.com
www.npr.org
quote: More Americans die on rural highways than on urban streets and freeways.
Here are some of the links:
The Deadliest Roads in the U.S.
Of the 179,696 crash fatalities from 2015 to 2019 on U.S. roads, California and Texas accounted for 10% each of the deaths.
The Deadliest Roads Are Rural
The roads traveled least are the nation's deadliest roads, according to federal highway data. More Americans die on rural highways than on urban streets and freeways. U.S. Highway 6 in Utah in particular has earned a reputation as a deadly rural road.
www.npr.org
Daniel in SD
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And even with that we're still slightly better than the national average fatality rate.
Probably because we drive so much on interstates.
This happens all too frequently--driving in the opposite lane (note double yellow lines) on blind corners to save a few seconds.
I was driving and good thing my brakes work well as I had to come to a complete stop to avoid collision.
I was driving and good thing my brakes work well as I had to come to a complete stop to avoid collision.
I've watched a couple of the Youtube videos, and while I agree that it's not a generally a 'solved problem', for the commute I do, it's probably good-enough, to be useful. A mile or two, at each end, with big controlled intersections, merge onto the freeway, and the major portion in the middle I know works fine on NOA.
Other trips I do on a regular basis, are all on big wide roads with controlled intersections, which work already 'good-enough' on Autopilot with good supervision.
Car-Pool/Express lanes around here can be intimidating. Often right up to a concrete barrier on the left, painted double-line, and then stopped traffic on the right. If you aren't doing at least the speed-limit the people behind get very angry. Even past stopped traffic. Because, that's what's the car-pool lane is for, to avoid the stopped traffic.
Would not use any sort of autopilot in that circumstance.
Other trips I do on a regular basis, are all on big wide roads with controlled intersections, which work already 'good-enough' on Autopilot with good supervision.
Car-Pool/Express lanes around here can be intimidating. Often right up to a concrete barrier on the left, painted double-line, and then stopped traffic on the right. If you aren't doing at least the speed-limit the people behind get very angry. Even past stopped traffic. Because, that's what's the car-pool lane is for, to avoid the stopped traffic.
Would not use any sort of autopilot in that circumstance.
FSD v9 will absolutely violate the speed limit. Watch the videos- it allows you to set a speed above the current speed limit.
K1Woods
Member
I would think a limited release soon - for folks interested. Suburban, rural roads would work well right now based on what I’ve seen. Reroute on high speed blind left. Congested city will take some time to capture all edge cases. Limit availability till confidence meets a target.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
You will get the current FSD features:
Navigate on Autopilot
Auto Park
Auto Lane Change
Smart Summon
Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control
Auto Steer on City Streets is the next big FSD feature but we have no specific date when it is will be released. It is currently in beta testing (FSD Beta V9) but Elon today said that public release would only come in V10 or V11 so it is several months away at best, maybe longer.
linux-works
Active Member
there might be a set of people who are beta testing both FSD and also their new life insurance policy.
new twist on an old joke: what do you do if your doctor just told you that you have 1 month left to live?
(whaaat? too soon?)
rxlawdude
Active Member
That's not what Elon said, but rather, your opinion.
diplomat33
Average guy who loves autonomous vehicles
Nope. That is what Elon said:
"Wide beta maybe with FSD rev 10, definitely with rev 11"
He said wide beta would be either V10 or V11.
K1Woods
Member
Features you will likely use, but that have relatively little value
- Auto Lane Change: avoid hearing annoying blim-blom sound from autopilot disconnecting when you change the lane
- Navigate on Autopilot: good reminder for you to take a ramp even if you need to take over often
- Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control: extra pair of eyes reminding of that stop sign / red light.
- Auto Park: Too slow to be useful
- Smart Summon: You will never save a second vs walking to the car
- Navigate on city streets: have been on the near horizon for years, so we do not really know when/if they deliver this.
sperkin
Active Member
This is useful if you're tired I guess, but stopping at stop signs takes twice as long as a human driver. It cuts off power too early and slowly cruises to a stop signs. It pisses people off behind me so much as we go through 4 short bursts of 4 way stops. I'm actually quite embarrassed when I use it. Feel like my 15 year old self trying to learn how to drive.
Confirming at every green light is annoying too. I forgot sometimes and the car slows way down. Pisses people off too. Im capped at 5 over the speed limit by they want to do 15-20 over, and i'm slowing to 5 under before I realize I forgot to confirm it. I was actually pulled over the 1st night I got that update. Police thought I was drunk.
The whole autopilot was replaced in Europe with nag-pilot. It just is so irritating to drive with nag-pilot, I do not understand why I need to pull on the wheel every 15 seconds. That makes me tired!
And now Tesla is trying to monitor the driver even more with the internal camera; come on... One wife is enough in the car!
As you said FSD beta is safe because it is so bad. When car is trying to hit something every third mile, driver is sure to pay attention all the time. But when it has driven 10 000 miles without problems and you’re on your daily commute, attentiveness drops.
Uber test driver had driven the same route without problems 73 times before…
Uber test driver had driven the same route 73 times before fatal crash.
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