Full text of tomorrow’s 2030 ICE ban (etc) announcement

[NorfolkMustard]

Only EV, PHEV (and FCEV if viable by then) sold from 2030 onwards. And only EV ( + FCEV) sold from 2035.

All non-plug-in hybrids join standard ICE cars and vans and stop being sold from 2030

Boris Johnson: Now is the time to plan our green recovery

 

[NewbieT]

Come on Mr Sunak. Get that £500m wallet out and pay for the civils & infrastructure for Ultra Rapid chargers at every MSA. Look lively 2030 is coming quickly.

 

[nxsynjs]

Some people in the media seem to be confusing the banning of the sale of new cars with crushing every non EV and forcing people to buy new EV's. ICE is going to be around to at least 2050

 

[Dangerous Fish]

"Lacing the land" eh?
Will Fleet southbound finally be laced or will it continue to fall through the lacey filigree?

 

[Chuq]

Some people in the media seem to be confusing the banning of the sale of new cars with crushing every non EV and forcing people to buy new EV's. ICE is going to be around to at least 2050

I don't know if it's intentional to cause shock and upset, or just genuine misunderstanding. People don't seem to understand that this doesn't mean "everyone will be forced to spend big $$$ to buy a high-end Tesla" but "manufacturers and dealers will be forced to alter their priorities, which will result in more options, which will result in more competition, which will result in cheaper prices, such that you won't *want* to buy an ICE in 2030 anyway".

Plus what you said - it's only a thing for new cars, not existing vehicles (which presumably people will be able to continue to buy second hand)

 

[Type2]

And the era of cheaper driving for us existing EV owners will soon come to an end. Rishi has already touted the idea of charging motorists by the mile. COVID will cost the government £hundreds of billions and that money has to come from somewhere. Motorists have always been a huge provider of tax for the government, and that won’t change as ICE cars are phased out.

 

[CyberGus]

Some people in the media seem to be confusing the banning of the sale of new cars with crushing every non EV and forcing people to buy new EV's. ICE is going to be around to at least 2050

There hasn't been a new car sold in Cuba since 1959, so their streets look like this:

 

[nxsynjs]

There hasn't been a new car sold in Cuba since 1959, so their streets look like this:

Why do I think the drivers in that photo are having a great time of it..

 

[pgkevet]

Why do I think the drivers in that photo are having a great time of it..

And I believe some of the most environmentally friendly vehicles - by virtue of not making, buying and scrapping replacements.
Electrification will remove congestion from London.....

 

[Wol747]

Some people in the media seem to be confusing the banning of the sale of new cars with crushing every non EV and forcing people to buy new EV's. ICE is going to be around to at least 2050

Of course, at some point between now and the banning of ICE there will be too few ICE cars on the road for gas stations to be viable. They will increasingly only be found on motorways and in cities.
At that point gas car drivers will be hoist, as they say, with their own petard* - they are always saying there are far too few charging points!

* What IS a petard?

 

[ACarneiro]

Expect another wave of EV hate in 3... 2.... 1....

 

[MrBadger]

Of course, at some point between now and the banning of ICE there will be too few ICE cars on the road for gas stations to be viable. They will increasingly only be found on motorways and in cities.

Pretty much no such thing as a basic fuel station these days. But we have loads of roadside convenience stores, with good parking that sell everything from sweets, toys, sandwiches, coffee, Subway, booze, milk etc to erm petrol and diesel. Many are already mini supermarkets. Fuel is just the initial enticement, once you are in, you have isle upon isle of other things to buy. Some even sell electricity and I've been in a presentation explaining how they wanted to be able to sell hydrogen too.

 

[Zakalwe]

Why do I think the drivers in that photo are having a great time of it..

Believe me, they're not. The air pollution is horrendous in Havana and they have to jury-rig parts for these old shitters.

 

[pgkevet]

Of course, at some point between now and the banning of ICE there will be too few ICE cars on the road for gas stations to be viable. They will increasingly only be found on motorways and in cities.
At that point gas car drivers will be hoist, as they say, with their own petard* - they are always saying there are far too few charging points!

* What IS a petard?

At the dawn of motoring folk had to buy their petrol in tins. An extra tin or two in the boot and no range anxiety. I keep 40L on site for the petrol machinery and 200L diesel for that type of kit. It's still a lot more practical that trying to keep an extra 1000KWh of leccy about.
The ICE may be on it's death bed with the rise of EV but that is also illogical with carting a half ton of battery about. If we ever get to excess leccy generation so electrolysed Hydrogen gets practical then despite its energy losses in production and storage it becomes the preferred fuel and battery cars will be the new dinosaurs.
Sadly the saying "Fusion power is only 30 years away - and always will be" is holding strong.

 

[Gatsojon]

There hasn't been a new car sold in Cuba since 1959, so their streets look like this:

The Cuban environment helps significantly. Imagine that scene played out in the UK - there would just be roads covered in rust.
More modern cars are much better protected and may well last 30 years if looked after. They will be managed off the road by reducing the emissions target in the MOT or something like that.

 

[AnthonyLR]

Car companies such as Honda are questioning whether the natural resources exist to make such a change by 2030.

As a Tesla fanboy I see it like this: FSD works, battery day developments work, £25,000 Tesla "Model 2" arrives, and then none of us owns a car by 2030 anyway as we will all use Robotaxis which don't sit idle on our drives or at our places of work for 90% of the time. The cost per mile will be lower than ownership with no capital tied up.

It's a huge leap from 2020 to 2030 but there is a path to make combustion engines irrelevant in the UK, the USA and the EU by 2030. Then the combustion engine vehicles sold up until 2030 have 15 years of "useful" life left. But they will be taxed to death via fuel duty combined with road tolls and it won't make economic sense.

The proposed Euro 7 engine standards that are meant to come into force in 2025 sound like they will make combustion engine cars uneconomic compared with EV's before 2030 anyway.

 

[Dilly]

Bugger. I’ll have to replace both my mowers!

 

[Zakalwe]

If we ever get to excess leccy generation so electrolysed Hydrogen gets practical then despite its energy losses in production and storage it becomes the preferred fuel and battery cars will be the new dinosaurs.
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Very unlikely to happen as all the other disadvantages of H2 still remain. Storage, transportation, metal embrittlement, massive inefficiencies compared to straight batteries, allied to the sheer danger of dealing with hydrogen will all remain significant obstacles.

The Toyota Mirai, for example, fuel tanks have a maximum 15 year lifespan from manufacture.

 

[alloverx]

Is this a distraction from the UK virus status?

Anything more than 5 years out is a waste of time.

 

[Masklin]

It is, it is just this week’s distraction from the more important stuff that should be taking attention. Nothing in the announcement will reflect reality in 2030.