Likely to only get 1 Model 3 instead of 2. Will hang onto my Model S and upgrade to the S after the 18650's are phased out to get into the latest gen battery tech. Either way this news won't drive me away from Tesla, it makes me want a garage full of Tesla's even more!
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Give up your Model 3 .
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whitex
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For those who need more storage space, if you believe information from Tesla, you can get one Model 3 for every day driving, and a second one to follow your first one in FSD mode as a "hitch-less trailer" for those times you need to carry more people or luggage. According to the Tesla website FSD description you should be fine to hail the second M3 to meet you when it's needed as long as it's for friends and family (and presumably their luggage).
I'm going to ask this here, only because I haven't seen anyone talk about it yet (and admittedly have not looked that hard but it's somewhat relevant anyway). I keep seeing that the Model 3 doesn't have auto-presenting door handles. What's up with those door handles then? They certainly look like they're flush with the car when I see any picture of the Model 3. I can't imagine they have automatic doors like the Model X, and we know they don't have presenting handles like the Model S. How do these things work? Having them pop in and out manually seems silly.
Maximilien
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I will stick with S/X for now.
I am honestly a little dismayed about the Model 3 now. I was hoping P75D for Model 3 but that seems not happening this year.
I am used to the speedometer screen and Model 3 seems somewhat lacking. I guess it's just me.
No dual motors until next year, too.
I might get a new Model X in the near future since FUSC is back.
Then I am eyeing on the new Roadster. 0-60 under 2 seconds maybe?
Until then, I gotta work my butt off to make good amount of dispensable income.
It seems like I will fill my garage with Tesla's!
I am honestly a little dismayed about the Model 3 now. I was hoping P75D for Model 3 but that seems not happening this year.
I am used to the speedometer screen and Model 3 seems somewhat lacking. I guess it's just me.
No dual motors until next year, too.
I might get a new Model X in the near future since FUSC is back.
Then I am eyeing on the new Roadster. 0-60 under 2 seconds maybe?
Until then, I gotta work my butt off to make good amount of dispensable income.
It seems like I will fill my garage with Tesla's!
BluestarE3
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I guess YES and for lots of reasons. IMHO TESLA is an example of "Perfect Getting Better" over time.
May be I am somebody who is happy with something that I didn't have yesterday and what I don't have today will be delivered tomorrow or in near future.
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Drucifer
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I am betting a new interior that is much more luxurious, like Mercedes S or Bentley has, is in the works.
I honestly think most people are blowing this out of proportion. Firstly, this was started as an internal document (which it is not now), but any company would want a comparison between two products. Honestly this is great because I so often go to companies websites to compare products and they do a HORRIBLE job. This is nice.
Secondly, this really is comparing a high end BMW/Mercedes to a fully loaded Toyota. As a CPO purchaser there was NO way I could EVER afford a new model s or x...EVER. Yet I could afford a model 3. I would argue that probably 90% of the model 3 reservations couldn't afford a new model s or model x. This targets that last 10%. And it really has some valid points and good comparison. I don't see this as a "don't buy the model 3" I see this as a REAL comparison with no frills or anything (unlike a dealership whom would push you in whatever direction). This is just plain facts and if the facts look biased one way or another - well - when you compare a luxury vehicle to a mass market general vehicle - yea I expected to see all of this.
I am 100% ok with this graphic and think it really serves its purpose. I don't think there was any malicious intent on Tesla, I think they just wanted a fact-base comparison. Although, the biggest comparison is the price - which probably people considering the 3 or the S are well aware of.
Secondly, this really is comparing a high end BMW/Mercedes to a fully loaded Toyota. As a CPO purchaser there was NO way I could EVER afford a new model s or x...EVER. Yet I could afford a model 3. I would argue that probably 90% of the model 3 reservations couldn't afford a new model s or model x. This targets that last 10%. And it really has some valid points and good comparison. I don't see this as a "don't buy the model 3" I see this as a REAL comparison with no frills or anything (unlike a dealership whom would push you in whatever direction). This is just plain facts and if the facts look biased one way or another - well - when you compare a luxury vehicle to a mass market general vehicle - yea I expected to see all of this.
I am 100% ok with this graphic and think it really serves its purpose. I don't think there was any malicious intent on Tesla, I think they just wanted a fact-base comparison. Although, the biggest comparison is the price - which probably people considering the 3 or the S are well aware of.
120 KWh battery pack with the new cells could be one change/additions. We know the new cells are more energy dense so there will be a larger pack sizes eventually when the convert.
Sir Guacamolaf
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Garlan Garner
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I'm not so sure the profit margins will be all that different if Tesla gets it way. Their new CFO agrees wholeheartedly.
Tesla’s gross margin on the Model 3 could be a game changer in the auto industry
Drucifer
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I have to agree. Not to say 120 is impossible, especially in a next gen Model S, but 100 is all that is needed from a practical standpoint.
What's needed now is 100 kWh that is: Lighter, Cheaper, Faster to charge (80% in 10 or 15 minutes - Supercharger @ 2-3x speed)
With current batteries yes it is impossible. How would it be impossible in the newer battery versions which are said to be 20% extra energy dense. Logically if they can use those batteries it will result in longer range. Now if the battery pack is not able to fit that cell type then yes it would be impossible. I've not seen any evidence that they wouldn't be able to use those cells.
We should find out this year either way though. Model 3 has been rumored to use the next generation batteries so I don't see why they would allow a "cheaper" car to run more energy dense batteries.
Sir Guacamolaf
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@wcfinvader - I don't know man, ask Elon.
Also I just don't feel that a lot of people would be willing to pay a premium for 120kwh.
People seem to want better interiors and build quality more than range that they never use.
Also I just don't feel that a lot of people would be willing to pay a premium for 120kwh.
People seem to want better interiors and build quality more than range that they never use.
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