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The premium package exists for people to order it and make the car 5k more expensive. If you aren't buying the car while stretching the budget, better buy it. AP+FSD can still be upgraded afterwards, so I wouldn't save at the premium package.
beths11
THE LONG RANGER
I actually did Phoenix to PDX last year in my 237 mile range X. It is a matter of travel style. We have the luxury of not having to "rush" through a trip as fast as possible. You are right a car with less range will add a bit of time to your trip as compared with a car of greater range.. I used to be exhausted at the end of a trip in my ICE car because I never stopped to rest. With the Tesla I Love the "forced" rest stops. Typically the car is charged and ready to go before I am. A very sane way to travel. I guess that's why there are choices, for some "range is king" for others bigger is not always the better choice.
beths11
THE LONG RANGER
Autopilot not even close. The 220 mile range is fine but a trip with autopilot totally changes the experience. It is so much more relaxing with autopilot.
N5329K
Active Member
I think taste is totally personal. You should configure the car as you want and can afford.
Robin
This illustrates how much personal preference matters for autopilot. My car will rarely, if ever, be taken on long road trips. Too small for the family. If my wife eventually buys a model Y to replace her CR-V my preferences on range and autopilot will likely be the exact opposite for that car.
Don't know about 'cheap', but the 'non-covered console' is definitely part of the base. We have no idea what it looks like since no one has seen a base car!
I think we'll all need to wait until one is actually produced or the Design Studio (is public and) has renders of the two versions.
Probably better than the Leaf, but not by a whole lot.
BluestarE3
Active Member
Even after considering pricing, options, small vs big battery, wants vs needs... I'm amazed at how many folks have already decided what they're going to buy without a test drive. Yes, I know lots of you either already own a Tesla or have driven a rental, as have I.
I wouldn't even consider a purchase before a test drive. Especially since all the hype we saw at the handover was in fully loaded configurations.
I wouldn't even consider a purchase before a test drive. Especially since all the hype we saw at the handover was in fully loaded configurations.
Mr To is in the market for a new car, as well. We're trying to figure out the best options for our needs which are sure to be different from everyone else's. I commute 50 - 60+ miles every day. His is a ten minute commute. I have an aging parent 30 miles away. We both drive and love (non Tesla) EVs, but I want my next vehicle to have more range without making me mortgage/auto loan poor. We all know about the cost of living in California. Lots of things to consider.
First world problems
First world problems
Wait just a minute now, who let this gal on?
She has been banned from the internets for years now. I promise to curtail her internet privileges if things get out of control. No wine has been opened yet (we finished most of it off during the delivery ceremony Friday) so Mrs Toe should be coherent for at least the the next several minutes.
RT
Yes, dearWait just a minute now, who let this gal on?
She has been banned from the internets for years now. I promise to curtail her internet privileges if things get out of control. No wine has been opened yet (we finished most of it off during the delivery ceremony Friday) so Mrs Toe should be coherent for at least the the next several minutes.
RT
Thomas Edison
Active Member
I'm kind of with the OP on the bare bones options. But I really need to be able to see a non premium and a premium side by side to compare the two. I'm wondering if the trim is simply lacking the wood or is the entire door panels and other interior parts made of cheeper materials too. Also curious as to exalty what the difference is in the center console storage that comes with premium. Are the seats cloth in the base? And if so are the bolsters and shape the same, but simply lack leather and power? Also and these are the big ones for me. Is the steering wheel still adjustable and just not power with the base model? How much head room do I loose with the headliner with a metal roof?
What's this with rain? On snow or ice I believe AWD can make a difference (well, even then, only uphill - it will make little or no difference downhill). And even uphill on snow or ice AWD will help much less than winter tires will help (which cost more or less just the price of having someone change your tires twice a year - 100 EUR/USD per year or so). But rain? Except if you're taking roundabouts at 120km/h, I don't see the point
. Emergency braking will most probably be exactly the same with RWD or AWD.I had a RWD Model S before my current AWD and am seriously considering going back to RWD (more comfortable, a more sporty feeling with accelerations, 5000 EUR less, less whine from motor). In the good ol' days we also got a larger frunk; a pity that that is no more.
Drumheller
Active Member
3.75 miles per hour of charging is typical in my experience with my Model S
I've driven up Mt Hood in the snow in 2WD with winter tires while California 4x4s could not get traction to proceed.
I did this drive in a 4x4 I left in 2WD because, well, I'm from Chicago.
WInter tires are winter RATED tires. Not tires with deep treads that seem like they should do well in the snow.
The premium package is designed to make a lot of people get it. This is of course typical of car pricing. If you need only one thing in it (fog lights, perhaps, if you're in a foggy area; or the power adjustable front seats if you have a lot of different people driving the car; or vinyl/polyurethane seats instead of polyester seats) you have to get the whole thing.
Almost everyone should be fine with the base range. The most common exception would be if you live in the snowbelt *and* have poor Supercharger coverage. Really bad winter days -- the absolute worst -- can reduce your range to 70% of normal. Even in the snowbelt, if the distance between Superchargers in your area is under 150 miles, you're going to be fine. If you're a travelling salesman or something where your job means you routinely take daily trips over 150 miles during deep winter (220 miles in summer or in places which don't have deep winter) you would also want the larger range even if you have good Supercharger coverage. (Oh, and if you're in Maritime Canada, just don't get the car at all until they build a service center.)
I suspect the vast majority of people will want a color other than black, and it's a little shoddy to charge extra for every single color other than black.
I predict that the median configuration will be somewhere between $41K (base + color + "premium") or $46K (for people who like Autopilot). I suspect that average selling price will be higher than the previously-projected $42K because a lot of people will spring for the big battery, whether they need it or not, and some will prepay for "Full Self Driving" even though it won't arrive for years; and this will probably outweigh the people who don't get the "premium" package or who get black. (This is definitely not investment advice, but if I were buying the car now, I'd be inclined to not pay for Full Self Driving now, put the $3000 in Tesla stock, and if they ever get Full Self Driving, the increase in stock value might exceed the increase in the cost of the option.)
Almost everyone should be fine with the base range. The most common exception would be if you live in the snowbelt *and* have poor Supercharger coverage. Really bad winter days -- the absolute worst -- can reduce your range to 70% of normal. Even in the snowbelt, if the distance between Superchargers in your area is under 150 miles, you're going to be fine. If you're a travelling salesman or something where your job means you routinely take daily trips over 150 miles during deep winter (220 miles in summer or in places which don't have deep winter) you would also want the larger range even if you have good Supercharger coverage. (Oh, and if you're in Maritime Canada, just don't get the car at all until they build a service center.)
I suspect the vast majority of people will want a color other than black, and it's a little shoddy to charge extra for every single color other than black.
I predict that the median configuration will be somewhere between $41K (base + color + "premium") or $46K (for people who like Autopilot). I suspect that average selling price will be higher than the previously-projected $42K because a lot of people will spring for the big battery, whether they need it or not, and some will prepay for "Full Self Driving" even though it won't arrive for years; and this will probably outweigh the people who don't get the "premium" package or who get black. (This is definitely not investment advice, but if I were buying the car now, I'd be inclined to not pay for Full Self Driving now, put the $3000 in Tesla stock, and if they ever get Full Self Driving, the increase in stock value might exceed the increase in the cost of the option.)
Noneduck
Member
AP is the best feature of a Tesla and the one I miss most when driving another car. We are probably going to get the bare bones 3 with AP and use the S for longer road trips.
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