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I wonder how people got used to oldschool cruse control... you always need to monitor the speed of the vehicle infront of you and brake when he brakes. Horrorz.
I wonder how people got used to adaptive cruse control... you always need to monitor the vehicle infront of you not to run into a stopped vehicle or traffic lights. Horrorz.
I wonder how people got used to turning the steering wheel ... you must somehow determine how much to turn the wheel without seeing your front wheels and all. Horrorz.
Change is a terrifying thing.
Google is right. The problem with AP is not the tech it's the psychology. People are not good at sitting and staring when they're not actively in control of the vehicle. Great article in the New Yorker about airline pilots and how distracted they get using auto pilot:
The Hazards of Going on Autopilot - The New Yorker
Is autopilot going to be on all the time or do you have to activate it?
That's not /exactly/ true, and I'm not talking about AI. With any kind of training/machine learning/etc. the computer can handle situations it's not directly programmed for. Depending on how it was programmed, it would have a high probabilty of getting it correctly.
Amazing to me that people think pedestrians, which Elon says "It should not hit. Hopefully," drivers of other cars, passengers, and others have somehow relinquished their rights against a car company who puts beta software in the hands of owners which includes the small percentage of idiots (who are now doing things like driving from the back seat, dozing off, reading books, and hands off wheel) and says "have a nice day. "don't be naughty and turn this on when you're not suppose to, you lil devils!" You're wrong. Not paid my $500 an hour as a trial attorney with 35K of trial experience who's never lost a case, ever, to debate on the Tesla board, so instead, simply watch what happens.
Tesla "Beta" AP, doctrine of foreseeable misuse (among others), icey roads, blizzard, around a school getting out with some nitwit owner who turns the system on after told not to, then reads a book. Yup. Juries will NOT blame Tesla for a single buck, after legal discovery reveals the even more insane things Elon has said about AP than what he's been quoted in saying in the media. Yup. After Elon is forced to take the stand and promptly puts his foot in his mouth but keeps talking, because, well, that's what Elon does, Jury will go 'BAD dead evil school children! GOOD Tesla billionare and beta software. Verdict for Tesla! Sure.
If you don't believe that sticking beta software in cars and telling owners not to be naughty and activate it "except where intended" and not have sensors requiring hands on wheel or even disable it when nobody's in the front seats (see youtube) is not going to set AP, autonomous driving, and Tesla back, you're certainly entitled to your belief, but that makes one of us. I want Tesla and autonomous driving to have the best future possible, which I don't find benefited from bad decisions followed by crazy billionaire comments to the press. If google CEO had ever said to the media. "Our google cars shouldn't kill pedestrians. Hopefully." He'd have been forced to resign the next day for being so naive how that comment would be perceived even before the inevitable lawsuits.
To answer the thread, how long until something bad happens after release of 7.0, it might be a while. The numbers of AP OTAs that were delivered simply cannot be that high, so not many of them on the road, and I expect that 7.0 and 7.1 are VERY good, and that a vast majority of owners will indeed use it responsibly just hardly leaves that many AP activated cars in the hands of complete idiots who will turn it on when they're not supposed to, then doze off or read a book.
Amazing to me that people think pedestrians, which Elon says "It should not hit. Hopefully," drivers of other cars, passengers, and others have somehow relinquished their rights against a car company who puts beta software in the hands of owners which includes the small percentage of idiots (who are now doing things like driving from the back seat, dozing off, reading books, and hands off wheel) and says "have a nice day. "don't be naughty and turn this on when you're not suppose to, you lil devils!" You're wrong. Not paid my $500 an hour as a trial attorney with 35K of trial experience who's never lost a case, ever, to debate on the Tesla board, so instead, simply watch what happens.
Tesla "Beta" AP, doctrine of foreseeable misuse (among others), icey roads, blizzard, around a school getting out with some nitwit owner who turns the system on after told not to, then reads a book. Yup. Juries will NOT blame Tesla for a single buck, after legal discovery reveals the even more insane things Elon has said about AP than what he's been quoted in saying in the media. Yup. After Elon is forced to take the stand and promptly puts his foot in his mouth but keeps talking, because, well, that's what Elon does, Jury will go 'BAD dead evil school children! GOOD Tesla billionare and beta software. Verdict for Tesla! Sure.
If you don't believe that sticking beta software in cars and telling owners not to be naughty and activate it "except where intended" and not have sensors requiring hands on wheel or even disable it when nobody's in the front seats (see youtube) is not going to set AP, autonomous driving, and Tesla back, you're certainly entitled to your belief, but that makes one of us. I want Tesla and autonomous driving to have the best future possible, which I don't find benefited from bad decisions followed by crazy billionaire comments to the press. If google CEO had ever said to the media. "Our google cars shouldn't kill pedestrians. Hopefully." He'd have been forced to resign the next day for being so naive how that comment would be perceived even before the inevitable lawsuits.
To answer the thread, how long until something bad happens after release of 7.0, it might be a while. The numbers of AP OTAs that were delivered simply cannot be that high, so not many of them on the road, and I expect that 7.0 and 7.1 are VERY good, and that a vast majority of owners will indeed use it responsibly.
Tech types need to remember that a lot of Tesla's customers have no clue what a "Beta" release is.
Likewise, the term Auto Pilot means something totally different to a pilot who knows that the responsibility to see and avoid remains with the pilot in command. MS goes further in that it can sense items in its environment and avoid them which is way beyond the capability of most auto pilots. Again, a small group has a different understanding of a particular term then the population at large.
Society is breaking down so fast. My take: The system works if you use it as Tesla instructs. Use it on the highway for long cruises. .
I just can't help it...this thread just reminds me of this great movie scene
Anchorman 2- hilarious RV scene - YouTube
Amazing to me that people think pedestrians, which Elon says "It should not hit. Hopefully," drivers of other cars, passengers, and others have somehow relinquished their rights against a car company who puts beta software in the hands of owners which includes the small percentage of idiots (who are now doing things like driving from the back seat, dozing off, reading books, and hands off wheel) and says "have a nice day. "don't be naughty and turn this on when you're not suppose to, you lil devils!" You're wrong. Not paid my $500 an hour as a trial attorney with 35K of trial experience who's never lost a case, ever, to debate on the Tesla board, so instead, simply watch what happens.
Tesla "Beta" AP, doctrine of foreseeable misuse (among others), icey roads, blizzard, around a school getting out with some nitwit owner who turns the system on after told not to, then reads a book. Yup. Juries will NOT blame Tesla for a single buck, after legal discovery reveals the even more insane things Elon has said about AP than what he's been quoted in saying in the media. Yup. After Elon is forced to take the stand and promptly puts his foot in his mouth but keeps talking, because, well, that's what Elon does, Jury will go 'BAD dead evil school children! GOOD Tesla billionare and beta software. Verdict for Tesla! Sure.
If you don't believe that sticking beta software in cars and telling owners not to be naughty and activate it "except where intended" and not have sensors requiring hands on wheel or even disable it when nobody's in the front seats (see youtube) is not going to set AP, autonomous driving, and Tesla back, you're certainly entitled to your belief, but that makes one of us. I want Tesla and autonomous driving to have the best future possible, which I don't find benefited from bad decisions followed by crazy billionaire comments to the press. If google CEO had ever said to the media. "Our google cars shouldn't kill pedestrians. Hopefully." He'd have been forced to resign the next day for being so naive how that comment would be perceived even before the inevitable lawsuits.
To answer the thread, how long until something bad happens after release of 7.0, it might be a while. The numbers of AP OTAs that were delivered simply cannot be that high, so not many of them on the road, and I expect that 7.0 and 7.1 are VERY good, and that a vast majority of owners will indeed use it responsibly just hardly leaves that many AP activated cars in the hands of complete idiots who will turn it on when they're not supposed to, then doze off or read a book.
I'm going to sue the CEO of Forks Inc, because after reading some of the comments in this thread I went blind from jabbing a fork in my eye. Why didn't they warn me against that??? What about other peoples eyes? This tyranny must stop!