Ah yes - thanks for catching that. I was going back and forth between the hundreds of thousands of cars and the billions of miles and forgot to correct that.
I am now planning to get the full self-driving option and here is why
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Ah yes - thanks for catching that. I was going back and forth between the hundreds of thousands of cars and the billions of miles and forgot to correct that.
Tesla - as of July 2017, 5 BILLION miles
They're supposed to do the cross-country preview drive in the next three to six months (in Elon time), so something like 3,000 miles?
Given how Tesla's navigation isn't the best at selecting routes, will self driving get lost a lot or spend a lot time in traffic?
Navigation first, self driving second.
Navigation first, self driving second.
There's a major update to nav and maps coming soon (next few months). Supposedly replaces Tesla/Navigon nav with Google Maps, so it should be way better. It's based on work done on the 3's firmware, which folks have confirmed to be using Google Maps for nav.
On Freeways/highways EAP is like my little driving buddy. But, my hope is that FSD will take it further to deal with situations like I described. Sure I can handle a 4+ way stop, but do I really want to keep track of who stopped first?
ModelNforNerd
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potentially. but you know things are never simple once lawyers sit down to write the paperwork.
Glad they've stopped trying to reinvent the wheel. I think Apple just accepted it can't do maps either.
Kanting
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That makes sense, a single control tower to staticly or dynamically route all the autonomous cars. Hope it has also started integrating and making HD routing.
Az_Rael
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Only downside is the 3 using those Google maps requires cell signal right now. They will have to eventually have stored maps for FSD. Otherwise I will never make it out of the desert on road trips, LOL.
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Nearly always I detest single source. Now with both traditional Google Maps and Waze it seems to me there really is no other really good choice. I rather hope that is not true but I use Waze for every situation when I really need to get somewhere on time.
Az_Rael
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Do you think the recievers are already in the cars even though the satellite network is just now launching, or do you think that will be in AP3?
Kanting
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I certainly believe the hardware including sensors will evolve. It won't be a surprise to see AP3 or AP4. SAE Level 5 is just the beginning I believe. RSD (Real Self Driving) will supercede FSD. Lol!
Chatterbox
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I have received the invitation to build my Model 3, but am deferring primarily for the dual motor setup. As for FSD, I am in fully, and the reason is that by participating (and driving a lot in the places I like to visit) I will be contributing to the improvement of the system and the eventual safety of all drivers. Opt out now, and you become a free rider as the world of "driving" changes to "not driving." Opt out now, and the future may never come. While I personally enjoy driving, I know we will have a safer world of people moving greater and greater distances using low or zero-carbon transportation options when self-driving EVs become the norm on the roads.
Jays200
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I hear you and I agree BUT Enhanced Autopilot is not the same as Full Self Driving.
I have EAP and drive places I hope are "training" Tesla but I'm hanging on to my money for FSD. I try to train my EAP Tesla at every opportunity with new roads, different conditions and drivers across different software versions.
If you pay for FSD before it's enabled and say wreck your car or sell it on then it's money gone. Altruistically, your FSD money may be helping Tesla, like reservation money does, but I don't think so.
I have EAP and drive places I hope are "training" Tesla but I'm hanging on to my money for FSD. I try to train my EAP Tesla at every opportunity with new roads, different conditions and drivers across different software versions.
If you pay for FSD before it's enabled and say wreck your car or sell it on then it's money gone. Altruistically, your FSD money may be helping Tesla, like reservation money does, but I don't think so.
Barklikeadog
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I hate to be the one to break it to you but your vehicles as they are currently constructed will never be full self driving.
Will your car be able to communicate with all of the other cars in the vicinity and vice versa?
Do we have intelligent road construction zones that communicate the details of the construction area as you approach?
Lidar?
Can the car see other autos, cyclists or pedestrians from two or three vehicles away?
If Musk wants to go NY to LA as promised without the driver lifting a finger, then he should do it himself, put a crash test dummy in the front and he can sit in the back.
Check back in a decade.
Paying for something you will never get will not make it happen sooner... although that money could help fund Tesla's legal team as they fight
off lawsuits by those owners who pay for FSD, never get it, and get a little bent out of shape.
Will your car be able to communicate with all of the other cars in the vicinity and vice versa?
Do we have intelligent road construction zones that communicate the details of the construction area as you approach?
Lidar?
Can the car see other autos, cyclists or pedestrians from two or three vehicles away?
If Musk wants to go NY to LA as promised without the driver lifting a finger, then he should do it himself, put a crash test dummy in the front and he can sit in the back.
Check back in a decade.
Paying for something you will never get will not make it happen sooner... although that money could help fund Tesla's legal team as they fight
off lawsuits by those owners who pay for FSD, never get it, and get a little bent out of shape.
I think we need to poll existing customers who purchased FSD on the X and S and see how many regret their decision
insaneoctane
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Maybe a stupid question, but if you buy FSD and then total your car, does the insurance company not see a difference between a $55K NON-FSD and a $58K FSD vehicle?
Az_Rael
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Yes, they will see the difference. However, you will most likely have to provide them the build sheet for the car showing the option. Odds are they won't get it on the first try.
Depends on what you expect FSD to be. Level 5, no way...that would require a lot of what you're referring to. Level 3...perhaps, and in the next two or three years at that.
Though level 3 wouldn't quite allow the car to drive by itself, with no one on board, to the service center (though more Tesla Rangers will make this mostly unnecessary). Or to join the Tesla Network and become an autonomous taxi. The thing we don't really understand is the neural network. It could be game changing once it's fully operational and I think that's what they're banking on. But we'll have to wait and see.
