Not bad, especially, if they were towing uphill. Have they disclosed the average speed? It seems they were going about 50 mph max.They tested the Rivian at max towing 11,000 pounds and found a 50% reduction in range
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Not bad, especially, if they were towing uphill. Have they disclosed the average speed? It seems they were going about 50 mph max.They tested the Rivian at max towing 11,000 pounds and found a 50% reduction in range
I found the video:
The camper is said to be somewhere between 3000 and 3500 lbs. It's okay for Model Y since I would only expect it to tow a HomeDepot trailer once in awhile.
Considering that CT should be able to tow more than Model Y, but Tesla motors are more or less the same on all their cars (the same 2 types), I wonder if Tesla is going to increase the gear ratio in CT... but then they will decrease acceleration. Hmm.. Are they going for a two- (or more) gear transmission similar to Taycan? Otherwise they may need a very new motor design for CT. Any thoughts?
You need to try some sample trips into ABRP. I've done it without towing, and the Cyber triple will save you alot of time. The double is doable, but I'm spoiled with the Model 3 LR-AWD. I would have a hard time driving a BEV that takes longer to get somewhere than what I currently drive, and the Triple takes about the same time as my 3. It doesn't matter if it's just a 300 mile trip or a 3000 mile trip.I am a tri motor trim pre order holder since unveiled.
But given recent financial insights, I understand that saving money for retirement is more important than wasting on new cars, yet I still want the CT, so I am thinking, what if I go with the dual motor trim when configuration time comes?
I guess that 350 miles is really 150 miles between charges.
I currently live in Halifax, Nova Scotia Canada, the first two superchargers seem to be within that range.
Is the entire network set to allow me to travel and explore the continent with the dual motor trim towing a trailer?
I think 10k is enough for any boat, camper trailer for 6-10 people.. I am not sure at all what does the third motor do.
I would keep it forever, so battery degradation after warranty period is something that I have to think about...
Although paying say, 10k for replacing the battery after say 10 years, is cheaper than giving the 20k to Tesla and pay interest over that financing..
I might as well put 10k for 10 years in stocks, and with compounding interest, I will have about $22,196.40 with average market returns of 8% annually.
So, please tell me, is driving around with 150 miles between charges viable?
When you go on a trip charge to 100%. I have been doing that for 34 months now. And my daily charge is 90%. And no degradation in 48,000+ miles. By only charging from 20-80 the pack gta out of balance and the BMS can not figure the proper full range.Do you currently have an EV? If so, you’ll know if frequent charging would be annoying in that scenario. But here are some more suggestions.
You mention 100-20, but I said 80-20. The battery doesn’t like to be at 100, you can do 100 for a trip, but I believe the charging slows down significantly from 90-100. So you can push it to 100 at home and start your trip. Supercharging is, I believe but you should confirm, done to 80% quickly, maybe even 90%, but going to 100% again I believe it slows down. So typically you can start trip 100, but all the stops will likely be up to 80-90%. You can go lower then 20, but how much lower will depend on your risk factor//comfort zone. If the vehicle stops, it’s not just a matter of using a jerry can, you need power and I know from what I have read the vehicle doesn’t like that.
Yes 20k USD is a lot, and more chargers will be installed, and more EV’s will be stopping at them to charge.
Maybe search the X forum and find out how much less range you get when towing.
I am getting a 3motor, so I can do a weekly round trip without stopping to charge, something that can’t be done with the current vehicles.
Will the 20-80 degrade the battery or just display incorrect range?When you go on a trip charge to 100%. I have been doing that for 34 months now. And my daily charge is 90%. And no degradation in 48,000+ miles. By only charging from 20-80 the pack gta out of balance and the BMS can not figure the proper full range.
There are three problems one is trying to avoid. Going from 0-100% will slightly damage the battery as there is some swelling and shrinkage that happens at the extremes. That is real and should be minimized.Will the 20-80 degrade the battery or just display incorrect range?
I don’t really care for the ‘estimated’ range, I use it as a guide only. I think someone towing wouldn’t want to run to 2% before they start thinking about charging. Thats why my first question was ‘do you have an EV?’
I actually do 40-80% daily.
There are three problems one is trying to avoid. Going from 0-100% will slightly damage the battery as there is some swelling and shrinkage that happens at the extremes. That is real and should be minimized.
But it is also true the pack is only as good as its weakest brick and to equalize the bricks you need a high state of charge. Between 20-80% the cell voltage is quite flat so the BMS can’t see a low brick or a high one. So above 90% you can see this and the BMS can equalize the bricks. If the pack gets out of balance, you can see a real loss in range.
The third issue is the BMS needs calibration or it will drift off. If it never sees 0 or 100% it will make a guess often a conservative one.
So occasionally going from 0-100 keeps the pack balanced and calibrated. But doing too much damages the cells. So for me about 4 times a year when on a trip I can use the range I fully charge.
Again, just a few times a year I let mine set a few hours at 100% as battery balance takes some time. So if we leave for a long trip in the morning I will plug I before bedtime.Got it. I’ll push the Y to 100% and then go for a ride as soon as it gets to 100. I kept going to 80% bc I didn’t need more range in the summer. For the winter as the temp starts to drop, I planned to start increasing it to 90%. At 0*C I haven’t seen any range drop yet. Waiting for -10*C and -20*C to see what the practical range drop will be.
You would most likely see a 50 to 60% range reduction with something like this
The range reduction from towing isn't linear. But as a (very) crude rule of thumb, you can assume a trailer of x pounds will consume x/10 Wh/mi, on top of whatever your vehicle normally uses. So a 5000lb trailer will take 500Wh/mi, and a 10000lb trailer will take 1000Wh/mi. At 55mph, a Cybertruck might consume around 400Wh/mi, so a Cybertruck with a 10000lb trailer will take 1400Wh/mi. If the Cybertruck has a 200kWh battery, you'll get about 140mi highway range towing a 10000lb trailer, and around 220mi with a 5000lb trailer.
This rule of thumb is obviously very crude, and probably a bit conservative. Aerodynamics matters a lot, so a 10000lb aerodynamic camper will probably get better range than a 5000lb boat, for instance. But I think the kwh/mi = weight/10 rule of thumb can get you started calculating how much battery you need for towing.
Sweet, you have an inside source that says Tesla has not done any tow testing?AT least Rivian has done some tow testing. Tesla hasn't done any. Don't forget to subtract the tongue weight of the trailer from the vehicle weight rating Figure a 12,000 pound trailer most likely has a hitch weight of 1200 pounds. With a towing capacity of 14000 pounds the cyber truck should have a hitch weight around 1800 pounds