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Discussion in 'TSLA Investor Discussions' started by Lessmog, Feb 3, 2018.

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  1. DragonWatch

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    Are you deliberately trying to make my head explode?:confused:
     
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    Only if it's a vacuum to start. Not true.
     
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    light travels fast in a vacuum.

    therefore, people who are 'light headed' are actually fast thinkers!

    its a good thing.

    (what??)
     
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  5. linux-works

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    lets say what people are thinking but no one ways to say - about the school openings.

    lets admit, first, that we have a 'day care problem'. we use schools, in a large way, as 'free daycare' for kids. not for education, but to allow parents to go to work and not stay home and watch the kids.

    why can't we have a national program where we SUPPORT parents and don't force them to use schools as daycare? (answer: the R's wont have it because its a 'for everyone' benefit and they never like things that have benefits for ALL).

    additionally, because we don't have socialized healthcare, a hospital stay can bankrupt you.

    teachers generally make low pay. they take those jobs because they want to, they are skilled at it and they realize society needs each generation to be educated. BUT - if you are on the low pay scale and you are weighing the cost of being hospitalized by covid vs staying home during the working school year - its actually more financially smart to NOT work than to risk being homeless due to a single large hospital illness.

    other countries don't bankrupt you when you are sick. here, we do it every single day ;(

    I would not return if I was a teacher. no way. and I hope most teachers stay home and send this message to our leaders.

    I value teachers in society and I hope they stay safe. they are being put into a no-win situation.
     
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    How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

    "How Jared Kushner’s Secret Testing Plan “Went Poof Into Thin Air”

    This spring, a team working under the president's son-in-law produced a plan for an aggressive, coordinated national COVID-19 response that could have brought the pandemic under control.

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    But the effort ran headlong into shifting sentiment at the White House. Trusting his vaunted political instincts, President Trump had been downplaying concerns about the virus and spreading misinformation about it—efforts that were soon amplified by Republican elected officials and right-wing media figures. Worried about the stock market and his reelection prospects, Trump also feared that more testing would only lead to higher case counts and more bad publicity. Meanwhile, Dr. Deborah Birx, the White House’s coronavirus response coordinator, was reportedly sharing models with senior staff that optimistically—and erroneously, it would turn out—predicted the virus would soon fade away.

    Against that background, the prospect of launching a large-scale national plan was losing favor, said one public health expert in frequent contact with the White House’s official coronavirus task force.

    Most troubling of all, perhaps, was a sentiment the expert said a member of Kushner’s team expressed: that because the virus had hit blue states hardest, a national plan was unnecessary and would not make sense politically. “The political folks believed that because it was going to be relegated to Democratic states, that they could blame those governors, and that would be an effective political strategy,” said the expert."

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    Tried and true Republican strategy since at least the 80's.

    Aids? Only a gay virus that punished them for being gay. No need for action.

    Covid? Only a blue virus, will make democratic governors look like fools and destroy only the blue states' economies. No need for action.
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    Even beyond that a good article with lots of background info and insight.
     
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    Our Glorious Stable Genius is again telling us how Dr. Fauci is working for the deep state.
    That evil vile Fauci. Why does he doubt Fearless Leader ?

    "Wrong! We have more cases because we have tested far more than any other country, 60,000,000. If we tested less, there would be less cases. How did Italy, France & Spain do? Now Europe sadly has flare ups. Most of our governors worked hard & smart. We will come back STRONG!"

    https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1289633359681839105?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1289633359681839105%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.rawstory.com%2F2020%2F08%2Fwrong-trump-launches-fresh-on-fauci-over-testing-numbers%2F

    ‘Wrong!’: Trump launches fresh attack on Fauci over testing numbers
     
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    Trump's administration is particularly bad at it, but the Republican playbook for the last 20 some years has hinged around how to make Democrats look as bad as possible. In this case let a very deadly virus run free because it looked in a short sighted way that it was going to politically hurt Democrats. That is sociopathic.

    Back in March I was predicting here that it would start in coastal states, mostly blue areas of blue states because those are the parts of the country that have the most contact with other countries. But after being contained in those blue areas, it was going to plant itself and take hold in red states and red parts of the country because the people who live in those regions are more likely to believe the disinformation than the experts, that population is, on average, less healthy, and health care is less available in many of those areas. The bulk of counties in the US without any hospitals are counties Trump won in 2016.

    I was called an idiot at the time. If an idiot like me with no direct access to any of the top health care experts could see it, any slightly competent presidential administration should have been able to see it. But they blinded themselves with politics over policy and now we have a much larger crisis than it should have been.

    The damage is not just to people, but the economy too. A coordinated, sane response could have put the economy in an induced coma, then brought everything back fairly quickly when the virus was contained. But again the Republicans wanted to play politics instead of making sane policy and the economic response is about to turn into another disaster. If something isn't done in the next week or two we are going to have a homelessness disaster at least as bad as the Great Depression.

    I saw a report on this a few days ago. It will probably become a bigger story in the next few weeks.

    My SO saw something yesterday that the Trump campaign has burned $1 billion so far and they still don't have a coherent message. Trump can't even answer the question what his goals are for his second term. Maybe he should run on a platform to fix all the disasters the incumbent has created? That's Escher-like enough his base won't be able to follow it.
     
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    Very easy to donate your full salary when you are funneling multiples of that amount to yourself via your own businesses.
     
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    This is completely normal.

    Ilhan Omar is doing exactly the same thing. I'm assuming it's legal since no one seems to be going after anyone.

    I mean insider trading is legal for congress so it wouldn't surprise me if all this isn't legal too.
     
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    The first stories I could find on this were from Fox, the NY Post, and other conservative news outlets, which is suspicious. But the Minneapolis Star Tribune has covered it.
    Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar's campaign keeps husband's political firm on payroll

    It is not illegal to hire family members to work on your campaign, but it is illegal to pad charges to the campaign and/or do other things to milk campaign funds.

    Insider trading is illegal, but unfortunately there is not enough done about it these days.
    2020 Congressional insider trading scandal - Wikipedia
     
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    The video that eevee-fan posted comes from a self described progressive who fights bias with bias so I guess his take on it should be considered suspicious too.

    Nothing is done about it because it's legal. There was much hubbub about this when Obama was president. He signed the STOCK Act of 2012. There was all kinds of press over it and then later the bill was quietly gutted by Obama to reverse most of it.

    How Congress Quietly Overhauled Its Insider-Trading Law

    The accusations of insider trading are only trotted out now to make headlines and rile people up. No one in congress will ever be convicted of insider trading unless they also sit on the board of corporation and uses that kind of insider information. Information from pending legislation is fair game for abuse.
     
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    BTW, the "2020 Congressional Insider Trading Scandal" investigation you linked to has been closed for Feinstein, Inhofe, and Loeffler who all did the same thing that Richard Burr did. So clearly it's not illegal.

    The only reason the Burr investigation is still ongoing is because Burr may have shared security briefing information with his brother who also dumped $1.7million in stock the same day Burr did. If he'd not shared the info with his brother, his investigation would be closed too.

    The whole investigation was a sham anyway. I sold the same week these guys did for the same reason. The pandemic was hitting the news. I made $800k of that move with only public information. It would be hard to argue that they used insider information.
     
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    ggr Expert in Dunning-Kruger Effect!

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    When you say "burned" I think you mean "redirected to friends and relatives".
     
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    That and they have really wasted money on advertising. The Lincoln Project got under Trump's skin by running ads on Fox and Friends. Trump got so worked up about it, his campaign had to run ads on Fox News telling him how great he is. They have also been doing some questionable ad buys like running anti-Biden ads on the Rachel Maddow Show.

    I strongly doubt there are any gettable votes among the demographic that watch her show. I'm sure some conservatives watch for opposition research, but the bulk of her audience probably made up their mind they were voting blue no matter who this year 4 years ago.

    Nobody is really talking about it because Trump sets himself on fire every other day, but the 2020 Trump campaign is probably the worst ever run by a nominee. Vermin Supreme had a better run campaign, and he basically runs as a joke (but he ran for the Libertarian nomination this year and won two states, he was an independent in the general election in some states in 2016 and he's been running since 2004).
     
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    Proof that Ivanka married a slicker but at the same time whinier version of her father. He's just as sociopathic as his father-in-law, doesn't give a rat's ass about anybody except his own immediate circle and his self-aggrandizement, power, money and perogatives. Psychoanalysis called this type of recurrence the repetition compulsion. We reinstate family scenarios and gravitate to the familiar. People once thought that Jared and Ivanka would constitute guardrails for Trump. That's a clearly an instance of wishful thinking and looks like a bad joke.
     
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    #8040 Intl Professor, Aug 2, 2020 at 1:52 PM
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    If you're going to insure something, it's cheapest to have the widest possible coverage which other countries have. The US version of crapitalism seeks the lowest common denominator in services. Poor care, poorer health, more sick, no prevention—more profit.
     
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