Are you 100% sure about that?
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But, yes, I have personally done the mathematical proof for both. That is as close to certainty as I get.
Thank you kindly.
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The whole quote is:
But, yes, I have personally done the mathematical proof for both. That is as close to certainty as I get.
Thank you kindly.
Thanks for the update. I was not aware of the smaller anti-brick buffers on the smaller batteries. Then his numbers may have more merit then I gave them? But still I find it hard to believe in more then 240 EPA miles on the base battery, but I surly hope he is right
sublimaze1
8Dec2012 / Leeroy Jenkins
You really think he's reading these forums?
If you define "He" as minion selected forwarded threads ... absolutely. Selected posts are made company aware. When I had my S delivered in 2012 and was introduced to my delivery specialist (they were delivered on trucks to your house) he talked me up for a while and then said "I've seen some of your posts on the forums"
I am not on tesla motors forum.
timk225
Active Member
The base Model 3 battery MUST have a longer range than the Bolt. It simply MUST. No 2 ways about this. It HAS TO, HAS TO, HAS TO.
So forget the talk of 50 and 55 KW packs. If 60 is needed to get there, then 60 is the base battery, plain and simple. Then 80 or 85 can be the big battery.
And it would be very good for Tesla if getting this 240-250 mile range is easily repeatable by the average driver, not like the Bolt, which probably only ever did 238 miles once in perfect conditions with a tailwind.
Something someone wrote in another post also gave me an idea. Certain options like the battery and autopilot can be upgraded later. Other options like dual motor must be factory installed.
So if I get any options at all on my 3, it'll be dual motor. I think the battery upgrades will go down in price after some time, so I will wait for that.
So forget the talk of 50 and 55 KW packs. If 60 is needed to get there, then 60 is the base battery, plain and simple. Then 80 or 85 can be the big battery.
And it would be very good for Tesla if getting this 240-250 mile range is easily repeatable by the average driver, not like the Bolt, which probably only ever did 238 miles once in perfect conditions with a tailwind.
Something someone wrote in another post also gave me an idea. Certain options like the battery and autopilot can be upgraded later. Other options like dual motor must be factory installed.
So if I get any options at all on my 3, it'll be dual motor. I think the battery upgrades will go down in price after some time, so I will wait for that.
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I just want to stand up a little in defense of the media. I think that a widespread denigration of our media is a dangerous proposition, since they're all that protects us from propaganda. There are challenges today to be sure - how do they report boring but factual news, yet still get clicks and revenue? Readership cares about emotional links and content is cheap. But I personally stand up for the media that tries their best to adhere to journalistic standards. We can ask them to do better, but we should be really careful about throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
/soapbox
You really think he's reading these forums?
400,000 people have reserved a Model 3. Maybe a few dozen are active on this forum. We are an infinitesimal fraction of an infinitesimal fraction of the people eagerly awaiting this car. But whatever we speculate on here has no doubt been discussed elsewhere. There's no way Elon Musk is using his small amount of free time reading this forum, but he is most certainly aware that such speculations as these are rampant. Especially battery size, range, options, specs, etc.
I don't think he's laughing. But I think he's pleased that there is so much interest.
I read the above as meaning "I HOPE I HOPE I HOPE it has," because the fact is that few people will care if the Bolt gets 15 miles more range at a $100 lower price point. There are too many other differences, especially including the supercharger network. Not to mention that for Musk, getting more people into electric cars is more important than beating out GM on every single metric. And the availability of a larger pack will outweigh any range advantage the Bolt may have over the base model 3.
Tesla doesn't HAVE TO do anything. Tesla will do what its management, including Musk, feel best promotes electric transportation.
Battery cost will go down. The cost to retrofit will more than eat up any advantage. It will cost you more to install a bigger battery later than to get it when you buy the car. Note also that your trade-in battery will be used, and therefore worth a LOT less than when it was new.
There are good, conscientious media outlets. But they are the exception. A tiny example: I had my 15 minutes of local fame on a few occasions over the course of about 4 or 5 years. They mentioned my age. They didn't bother to correct for the passing of time, and on the last occasion they gave my age as the same as the first time. They couldn't be bothered to add in the elapsed time. Insignificant, but it shows that actual facts were not important. Telling a story was what mattered. This was a local newspaper where I lived at the time, and they were so biased it was depressing.
A bigger example: Any time there is a scientific discovery, the general media says almost nothing about the actual science, but goes on and on with profoundly impossible speculation about what it means for the future.
A bigger example yet: In politics there are a few news sources that check their facts, but most are just propaganda. So, yes, there are good news sources. But the media in general, as a class, have moved from being informative (back in the days of Murrow and Cronkite, to being entertainment. The result is a generally misinformed public.
The battery can only be upgraded later if they either offer an upgrade where you can take your car in and get a larger battery installed, or if the initial battery your car comes with is actually a larger battery that is software locked to a smaller size. Neither of those may end up being true though.
Personally it will be a downer if the base three comes out with less than 238mi. The auto industry and enthusiasts are numbers people. It will be significant for them too. The general public will consider it, I think, and it may be a minus for them even if you can option a bigger battery. It will be on Tesla to advertise the many ways the 3 is superior even with less base mileage.
We will know one way or another soon enough
It's an especially important position to take now because the government is attacking and trying to delegitimize them. However, it's been my position for a long while, and is why I often write letters to the editor about content mistakes, not opinion.That's a convenient position to take now.
There is an good episode of On the Media this week that talks about the promises of Internet news and the challenges in staying afloat for legitimate news outlets. That program is really interesting across the board, but you may enjoy a listen to the most recent episode.
Here is a prediction from me that is somewhat related to this topic:
- The 60 kWh Model S and the 90 kWh Model S and X versions will be discontinued before the Model 3 release. Both the Model S and the Model X will come only in 2 battery sizes just like the Model 3.
- 55/75 kWh: makes sense for the first year. The base model achieves more than 215 miles as promised and the longest range version achieves more than 300 miles.
- 55/80 kWh: This would be too unbalanced because there is too much gap between the two sizes.
- 55/70/80 kWh: Three different battery sizes would complicate production too much. Not a good idea for the first year.
- 60/80 kWh: This doesn't look possible because the base price is fixed at $35K and the 55 kWh already achieves more than 215 miles. They are not going to give away 5 kWh for free. Increasing the price of the base model to anything higher than $35K is not possible either because it would mean Elon couldn't deliver what he had promised.
PJFW8
Red Menace may hurt me
I hope you are wrong regarding the top battery. I really need more than 300 and want 350 plus. If it is under 300, I will pass. If I lived in California or Florida and never traveled to the mid-west, 250 would be plenty. It may be plug-in hybrids for a while for me. I truly hate it when the ICE kicks in!
The longest range Model X currently has 295 miles rated range and the switch to 2170 cells is not expected this year. That means when they release the Model 3 75D with 305 miles rated range, it will have more range than the Model X. That's not bad at all for the first year. I would expect Tesla to release the 60/80 kWh versions in Dec 2018.
Why does it have to? Blackberry devices had much better battery life than the first IPhones (or even current IPhones for that matter), you'd be hard-pressed to find anyone that cares about that anymore.
JeffK
Well-Known Member
This is not something you would expect Tesla to release to the public. If people knew they were going to switch then current sales would slow down.
It doesn't for it to sell in XXX quantity. It has to, to sell in 5 times as much as XXX.
People forget M3 is targeted for annual production and sales.
NCC-1701-T
To boldly go...
phigment
Member
From Twitter:
@elonmusk @Veidit did you just drop a hint that 3 will have 100kWh???
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@jovanik21 @Veidit No, will be lower. Wheelbase can't fit 100.
@elonmusk @Veidit did you just drop a hint that 3 will have 100kWh???
Elon MuskVerified account
@jovanik21 @Veidit No, will be lower. Wheelbase can't fit 100.
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