My thinking is the M3 will someday replace the Plaid it’s in inching towards that goal slowly, but surely. We are probably years away from that yet, though. Just a bit of speculation and fun. I don’t think many people cross shop the M3P and 911 Turbo S?
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Model 3 Highland Performance/Plaid Speculation [Car announced 04.23.2024]
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Not when the steering wheel is fitted on the passenger side of the car it’s not. For RHD markets we only have Model 3 or Y to pick from if we go with Tesla.
BMW m3 is probably more the benchmark for the model 3 than a 911.
I honestly don’t think they’ll get rid of the S/X if only because they want to keep the s3xy pun. I think Tesla also does recognize that having a flagship / halo product does attract buyers to the brand.
I dont see a significant cost difference of LR and M3L. Mostly increased cost of battery warranty, few lower quantity production parts and few additional cheap parts. All in all, I highly doubt that direct cost increase is more than 300 USD.
Then there is additional R&D, marketing and production NREs which need to be covered by the difference of upsell price and additional future sales from the improvement of brand series image.
So the price is only going to be determined by the profit ladder between different other propositions.
Cost has nothing to do with it.
Then there is additional R&D, marketing and production NREs which need to be covered by the difference of upsell price and additional future sales from the improvement of brand series image.
So the price is only going to be determined by the profit ladder between different other propositions.
Cost has nothing to do with it.
And I still believe that it will be like 2.8 Insane mode, 2.5 Ludicrous for additional price.
And later they will do a track pack with different brakes and wheels which they won't ever going to bother to certify in EU.
Or 19 wheels is a track pack and comes with better brakes and already certified. But I doubt, because mainstream believes that larger wheels are better. Might be a stupid thing like 20 inch is track pack...
And later they will do a track pack with different brakes and wheels which they won't ever going to bother to certify in EU.
Or 19 wheels is a track pack and comes with better brakes and already certified. But I doubt, because mainstream believes that larger wheels are better. Might be a stupid thing like 20 inch is track pack...
Where are they going to get this magic Ludicrous package from when the battery is the limit?
Ed
could Tesla do something like BMW with a short term overboost function? My i4 has a 10 second boost function that adds 60 hp. Just a thought.
I’m not an expert on this but they have to get it certified in some countries around maximum battery power peak, this is already done and it doesn’t have more battery power. If they wanted to offer this, they’d have to get it certified.
For instance the LR has been certified in Europe to the levels the car was providing with Acceleration Boost so while it’s not available to buy anymore, they did certify the car and battery that they could offer it at any time.
Lindenwood
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There is space in the launch to cut a few tenths off the 0-60, and there is a little bit of space above ~45mph if the motors (efficiency / back-EMF) and inverters (efficiency/robustness) are up to it. There is a lot of space approaching and above 100mph.
Guess we’ll see soon but I don’t believe there will be a Ludicrous package. You’ll be able to get it with 19’s or 20’s, range of colours, etc and that’s it.
My opinion on this is this is the fall back model. They hoped to have a new battery ready that would have made it a lot faster but it didn’t turn up so fall back is to just ship with the existing battery.
Yes I don’t disagree with that. Just was a suggestion there would be a software package like acceleration boost that would unlock a Ludicrous speed upgrade.
It might be called Ludicrous but in the cars options it only goes up to Insane. A Model S Plaid has a Plaid option, the Model 3 Ludicrous doesn’t, it just goes to Insane.
Hence as said I think they wanted a Ludicrous option but didn’t pull it off this time.
You’re suggesting they are intentionally sand bagging the car. That happens say when you have a higher end model you don’t want to get too close to but this will never get close to the Plaid. So why would they make it slower on purpose?
My opinion is what they announce and you can get will be the best the platform can offer with the components used. Will they improve it over time, of course that’s what Tesla does. But this new car when they ship it, I don’t think they will be some magic £2k option that’s going to reduce 0-60 by 0.2 - 0.3 seconds.
Lindenwood
Active Member
I am sure they were just trying to beat out the competition without snapping axles. However, there are no major hurdles keeping them from dropping a few extra tenths off the launch, especially with 275 summer tires out back.
Sellout
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2.7-2.8 reasonable with a slightly riskier torque management strategy and more power above 45mph?
If the performance numbers disappoint we can always hope for a mid cycle refresh with an improved battery pack.
Lindenwood
Active Member
The inverters and motors are likely capable of shaving a couple tenths off through raw torque from 5-35. The battery is also likely capable of making up a tenth from 45-60 by maintaining peak HP a bit longer, if the new motors can hang.
We’re saying they could probably make up an additional couple tenths from 0-5mph with a separate “launch mode.” All in all, that’s how we theoretically get half second faster with current hardware.
