Drone Flyer
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And he also said AP1 will read stop signs and traffic lights! Still waiting for that.!7:35 mark
360° long range ultrasonic sonar, basically establishes a protective cocoon around the vehicle...
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And he also said AP1 will read stop signs and traffic lights! Still waiting for that.!7:35 mark
360° long range ultrasonic sonar, basically establishes a protective cocoon around the vehicle...
AP 2.0 will be no different. It's just designed to help you, that's all. You should never depend on it to take you from point A to point B, unless you are a taxi.
the car is not supposed to drive itself.What is the point of AP and FSD? If the car is supposed to drive and park itself and also fetch itself there is something wrong if the system does not see a Semi Truck. Is it just me that feels that way?
the car is not supposed to drive itself.
do you own an ap equipped tesla?
the thinking that the car is really autonomous is a big problem, ap is really driver's assist, and not autonomous. read the docs.
@BestRadar - people are confusing EAP and FSD (both of which depend on the AP2.0 hardware). EAP is a driver assist mode that is ultimately said to have more capability than the AP1.0 cars. That is what was recently activated on the AP2.0 cars but with not all the features yet activated. EAP will never be a "hands off wheel" driving, nor is it meant to be.
FSD is what Tesla has shown in the videos and is supposed to drive you from home to work (or wherever) and then park itself autonomously. It is an option you can currently order but we have no idea when Tesla will release it. They have said they hope to so by the end of 2017 but many people have their doubts it will be done, tested, and approved by regulators in the next 11 months. Whenever it comes out, FSD is expected to be "hands off the wheel".
my only theme is that people need to be able to assume manual control in an instant. the AP does get wonky at times and when it does it should be turned off. you're apparently unaware of some of the many foolish things that where done by many people demonstrating their new AP toy, culminating in a fatal crash where it is alleged that the driver was watching a video.With all that said, I am dismayed at the attitude in these forums often taken towards drivers that have clearly experienced life threatening malfunctions of the AP software. The theme is "read the manual", "if you were paying attention, this would not have happened", "it's driver error", etc.
Wait, I'm not familiar with what you're calling "pre-truck lust". Please explain what happens in that scenario.There seems to be two kinds of Truck Lust in this thread, one where the Tesla is next to the truck, the post that started this thread, and the other where you are behind the truck. Perhaps we should call the latter Pre-truck Lust and the former Truck Lust, as we are discussing completely different phenomena from the AP perspective. In Pre-truck Lust it seems lane marking detection is a major factor and radar is involved. In Truck Lust radar is no longer involved; lane marking detection is by the forward looking camera and software computes where the lane should be adjacent to the car, making it less accurate perhaps; and the sonar detectors are involved but only work when passing the tractor and wheels of the trailer and not between the wheels of the tractor and trailer.
By keeping the two separate we may be able to figure out the factors involved.
I am a new MS 90D owner with the new AP 2.0 hardware. I read the entire manual, all Tesla sales and marketing materials, and hundreds of posts on these forums. I develop software for a living and I understand the concept of beta. I understand that when using AP, you keep your hands on the wheel and stay alert.
With all that said, I am dismayed at the attitude in these forums often taken towards drivers that have clearly experienced life threatening malfunctions of the AP software. The theme is "read the manual", "if you were paying attention, this would not have happened", "it's driver error", etc.
I appreciate the community warning new drivers about Truck Lust, but that does not absolve Tesla of the responsibility for this problem. It amazes me how much focus is placed on blaming the drivers on how they reacted to the car driving into a truck instead of why the car drove into the truck in the first place.
I think the attitude to blame drivers and absolve Tesla will discourage people from sharing and remove the focus from Tesla which is exactly where it belongs.
Tesla is selling the autopilot as a driver assistance feature that is suitable for highway driving . That means the car will steer itself going highway speeds in traffic. Imagine how it would affect sales if they would say "enhanced autopilot is a driver assistance feature. It will steer itself on the highway in traffic. Keep your hands on the wheel at all times. Please note, occasionally, for no valid reason, the car will suddenly and abruptly veer towards a truck that is in the right lane beside you. The Tesla community has lovingly dubbed this 'Truck Lust'. Enjoy your car."
I am hoping my new AP 2.0 does not suffer from this problem. I used AP 2.0 at the 45mph limit yesterday for the first time. It was shaky. It has a long way to go to gain my confidence even as an assistance feature. I understand it is early and I fully expect Tesla to get my car to the fully autonomous level that they sold to me. But there are a lot of AP 1.0 owners out there that deserve to have a car that does not drive itself into trucks. Put the pressure on Tesla where it belongs, not the drivers that share their experience with us.
From what I read, the defensive attitude you describe usually comes up when the poster tries to blame the technology for their accident or near accident or if they were using the technology incorrectly such has hands off the wheel.This is by far the most sensible AP post I've read here in a long while. AP is an amazing feature and there is definitely more coming in the near future. Long term people more than likely will lose the option to drive. Which you may or may not like depending on who u r. The best thing that ALL tesla owners could do to help with progress is to get away from this defensive attitude regarding AP. It drives me crazy to have people jump quickly towards blaming users versus dealing with the reality that this an extremely difficult problem to solve and we r learning how to use it. Like any new technology there will be growing pains both in the state of the product and usage. In the case of AP, those pains can, has and will lead to loss of life. The solution/usage space is extremely large so there will be cases where when even used properly real issues can arise.
I think that a lot of tesla owners are so concerned about losing AP due to some legal action that they allow that concern to cloud their judgment on how to view post on AP problems. Please view them as valuable pieces of information that could help progress the technology and save your life. Yes there r plenty of people who don't use the feature correctly but in that noise there could be some very valuable information to u as a AP user to keep u safe and for tesla to keep everyone safe and progress AP. "Please Report All AP Problems To Tesla and share with the rest of the world what make sense to share.
I have a '16 refresh S with 15k miles on it. I can easily say over half r AP miles. I have a trip this weekend and will put another 1k AP miles on the car. I watched every you tube video I could on AP prior to trying the feature myself to help understand how the feature worked and how to stay safe.
I'm also in the tech business and trust me self driving cars r here to stay. There is way too much $ being thrown at this technology with Boat load of $ to be made. Please come clean on AP issues... and please listen and consider problems people report. We all need to know about them. Tesla needs to know about them.
Here is a simple thread I started on AP and quickly was deemed as an uninformed user versus AP not behaving correctly. Common on guys... we have to let this go! The system works incredibly well but is far from perfect. Let's help it to progress by being real about it!
Poor auto pilot behavior after annual service.
I'm referring more to the posters who try to tell people who have had issues that it is completely their fault and will excuse tesla from responsibility of fixing/improving the feature. Yes there r folks that use it incorrectly, but there are cases even when used correctly where tesla needs to hear about. By not saying anything u r retarding progressFrom what I read, the defensive attitude you describe usually comes up when the poster tries to blame the technology for their accident or near accident or if they were using the technology incorrectly such has hands off the wheel.
People with experience with AP know it's limitations and take responsibility for using it. That said, people should report their experiences; just use it as designed and avoid trying to shift responsibility.