Everywhere. Read/watch automotive reviews, see KBB and Edmunds classification, even read Tesla’s own 10K… Model S is defined as “luxury sedan”.
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Model S 'Vent' only opens windows but does not close them?
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Brass Guy
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I don't know what a 10K is except a foot race.
I was probably wrong when I said "never." Even back in 2013 people on the forum and elsewhere used the term luxury, but Tesla described themselves as a manufacturer of premium electric sedans. No parking sensors, no lighted vanity mirrors, etc.
10K is the annual SEC filing for public US companies. It is an official document that describes the business, financials, projections, etc.
Not sure if parking sensors and lighted vanity mirrors define a car as “luxury”, although MS does have those. Luxury is more about the creature comfort than basic things like those.
Luxury seems to imply two characteristics. First, high quality of materials -- nice leather upholstery, soft touch surfaces everywhere, nicely finished switches that feel nice to the touch, and so on. To some extent, luxury is often mentioned by the absence of such touches. E.g., a recent review of the Mercedes-Benz EQE complained about the quality of switchgear compared to previous Benz models.
The second characteristic is the presence of features that lower priced cars (especially by the same manufacturer) are lacking. Mentioning Mercedes again, the S Class cars often were the first ones to get features such as parking sensors, navigation, high priced audio systems, and so on, which only later drifted down to the less expensive E and C classes over time. So there was some "exclusivity" to those features, at least at first. But some such features are simply not available on cheaper cars -- such as power-operated doors, double-thick glass, and so on. When I think of "luxury," I think S class or Rolls Royce or Bentley with their wool carpets and fold-down tables for the rear seat, stuff like that which is totally "unnecessary" in a transportation vehicle but just nice to have and which place the user experience on a different level.
Tesla's use of the term "Premium" might have been a way of emphasizing the technology and functionality over the non-essential wool rugs and so on. Or a self-serving way to justify the price despite the lack of traditional "luxury" quality and features.
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CaptUAL
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You're right! Now you can Close again... I wonder if it's just on 2021+ for some reason.My 2021 MSP Vents (approx 3") All windows via the App., Then the Close option for all windows works fine, No warnings or the such in my Premium Sedan. My Luxury Porsche would get the nice leather and wood wet, so it does not have the Vent option.
ucmndd
Well-Known Member
Yes, there was a hardware change at some point that enabled it. Older cars are still open only.
andy.connor.e
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something about not being able to roll the windows up while supercharging is stupid to me. sorry for bitching and moaning
Rear seat sensors were added right around the beginning of 2017 when the 100 kWh cars came out. My December 2016 Model S 90D didn't have them but the S 100D that we got less than 3 months later did.
Does your windows close after venting ? On my model x it dont but on the model 3 they do
Not on the 2017 S 100D. I was under the impression that it was sensors for the window that were missing, not the rear seat sensors.
My 2019 Raven S opens but does not close.
To the best of my knowledge the app still flags spurious 'window open' messages regardless of if the windows are closed. I guess this may be related to the car not having the 'close window' feature in the app.
If I recalibrate the window close following the correct procedure, the app k ows the windows are closed. I suspect there is no sensor for the closed position, and that closed is detected by the stalled motor current increase.
I do not understand why the technological might of Tesla can't fix this. There must be a solution, even if something clumsy like repeated micro pulses to close window gradually over say 5 mins without any excessive loads or pinch hazards being caused.
To the best of my knowledge the app still flags spurious 'window open' messages regardless of if the windows are closed. I guess this may be related to the car not having the 'close window' feature in the app.
If I recalibrate the window close following the correct procedure, the app k ows the windows are closed. I suspect there is no sensor for the closed position, and that closed is detected by the stalled motor current increase.
I do not understand why the technological might of Tesla can't fix this. There must be a solution, even if something clumsy like repeated micro pulses to close window gradually over say 5 mins without any excessive loads or pinch hazards being caused.
Iv started my trial for 14 days and it says option of closing windows but i havent twsted it yet coz my bloody model X is with Tesla Service. Ill feedback once i have more info on this
Damn it!!! - mine is a 2017 i doubt that will support it too then. Its funny it will vent down but not close the windows.
On my model 3 it vents and closes.
