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~*brack*~ Uhm... That's just the BMW 3-Series Wagon -- with the word 'Sport' added to its name. I do expect there will eventually be a Model ≡ Wagon, since Europe really likes the form factor. But I do not consider any five-door to be a 'Hot Hatch' at all.
And yet another five-door -- NOT a Hot Hatch! BMW's last attempt at anything even remotely resembling a Hot Hatch was the 318ti... Which was so ugly, I don't even want to bother posting a photo.
Yes, I know there are those who are so incredibly masochistic that their eyes tell them the Saab 900 actually looked good... But I am not so afflicted. More often than not, a five-door vehicle looks absolutely atrocious. Hell, the Honda Crosstour looks loads better than the Saab 900 -- and is still FUGLY.
At least Subaru is kind enough to not lie to their Customers. Over a certain wheelbase, you have a Wagon. Over a certain height, you have a Crossover. It's a matter of proportion and scale.
You want a proper Hot Hatch? Look to Peugeot and Renault. Everyone else is just making Station Wagons or 5/8 scale SUVs.
Uhm... Because they are ugly? ;-)Why wouldn't a 5-door qualify as a hot hatch?
Why wouldn't a 5-door qualify as a hot hatch?
When you engage in discourse, online or otherwise, an unwritten rule is that we all use the same definitions. You can't unilaterally redefine the term "hot hatch" to be about looks, when the rest of the world knows it's about performance...Uhm... Because they are ugly? ;-)
I understand that some may consider certain vehicles 'HOT' because of the engine they run... I'm talking about cars that are 'HOT' because of their styling.
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The Hyundai Nuvis... I have a feeling the Model Y will look a lot like this, but with Tesla design elements obviously! :love:
So, wait... You are saying that the 'hatch' that is considered 'hot' is what covers the motor? Aye dinna t'ink sew.
'Hot Hatch' is the car design. Just as 'Q Car' is the car design. And 'sleeper' is the appearance of the car.
Five-Door hatchbacks are almost NEVER hot. They are truly ugly most of the time.
Is there a thread about the Model Y? I also thought there is going to be another Model but someone I talked to suggested that the roadster was "Model Y?" Not sure. They said Elon Musk discussed it once. Model ""Why" make an electric car?"...I guess it will take as long as it takes for the 3 to meet demand, like with the Model X. Tesla could have built the Model X 1 and a half year earlier, with less innovations and if there were no problems with suppliers.
It already sits on the S chassis, so the need for design could have been minimized, but the saw that the S sales were still increasing, so it would have made no sense to bring it that early, so they took their time. Only the last half year was an unplanned delay, I would say. And it might be the same with the 3.
Why build 2 different cars with a huge backlog? It is way more efficient to only increase the output of a single car. They can just take the same approach as they did with the S and X, bring the Y when the 3 sales get to an almost constant level and then push out a refreshed Y, with some new features, a more energetic battery, but the core Model 3 architecture. And around the same time they might include all those new features and the new packs into the M3.
My prediction is, that the Y might come to market in 2019, with its first year of full sales in 2020, or even later, if the Model 3 demand is higher than expected.
In one of JB Strauble's lectures, he described Model Y as a hatchback version of the Model 3.
Hmmm. When he discussed the Trilogy master plan during the Model 3 reveal, he suggested Model X was 2.5 in the trilogy or "a 4 part trilogy." Maybe he meant so far...I thought it was the equivalent of the Model X as it relates to Model S.
So...
Model Y is to Model 3 as Model X is to Model S.
While the plan is interesting where does the Model Y come into play?
I like that style of crossover, its like a suv and sedan put togetherThe Model Y is a CUV based on the Model 3. Think Crosstrek, which is very popular.
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Hmmm. When he discussed the Trilogy master plan during the Model 3 reveal, he suggested Model X was 2.5 in the trilogy or "a 4 part trilogy." Maybe he meant so far...
Is there a thread about the Model Y? I also thought there is going to be another Model but someone I talked to suggested that the roadster was "Model Y?" Not sure. They said Elon Musk discussed it once. Model ""Why" make an electric car?"...
I was told the same by a senior Tesla employee in Europe just few days ago... He told me that "model Y" is in fact the new Roadster!
Five-Door hatchbacks are almost NEVER hot. They are truly ugly most of the time.