but this wasn't the outing I wanted to see... not unexpected, but still disappointing.
In what parallel universe was this not an impressive showing by the Performance Model 3?
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but this wasn't the outing I wanted to see... not unexpected, but still disappointing.
How can you possibly say this knowing that the Alfa literally destroyed it's tires in a few laps?
In what parallel universe was this not an impressive showing by the Performance Model 3?
List of Streets of Willow lap times.
Willow Springs - Streets of Willow lap times - FastestLaps.com
AT 1:23.90 P3D is way up there.
Good article. Why didn't they turn off regen ? That'd have to screw up track time a bit.Here is a good read from MotorTrend:
War of the Worlds: Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor Performance vs Jaguar I-Pace EV400 HSE vs Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio - Motor Trend
Enjoy!
Why? As long as regen isn't causing the car to overheat the battery, motor, or inverter I don't see what the problem would be. In some situations it might even be an advantage since it allows you to modulate between light braking and throttle. If it were RWD regen only I could see that being a problem.Good article. Why didn't they turn off regen ? That'd have to screw up track time a bit.
Because you are wrong. Unequal tires = invalid comparison.whoa guys...I know i'm not winning any arguments on this one...
I'm no expert, but I think it takes control away from the driver. When you let off of the brake, you don't want it to continue to brake. Might be wrong, but I doubt there are race cars set up to automatically start braking when the foot comes off the gas. I also think the regen braking is more than light. Kind of moderate.Why? As long as regen isn't causing the car to overheat the battery, motor, or inverter I don't see what the problem would be. In some situations it might even be an advantage since it allows you to modulate between light braking and throttle. If it were RWD regen only I could see that being a problem.
The tires make a huge difference! Then there's the matter of regen confusing the driver. It can be turned off.
If you want zero throttle you just let your foot partially off. Regen braking is very moderate. Even I track mode it’s 0.3g and I doubt it’s even that at very high speeds. Full friction brakes are about 1.2g. There is basically zero time that you’re not on throttle or the brakes driving on a track. Regen just moves the crossover point.I'm no expert, but I think it takes control away from the driver. When you let off of the brake, you don't want it to continue to brake. Might be wrong, but I doubt there are race cars set up to automatically start braking when the foot comes off the gas. I also think the regen braking is more than light. Kind of moderate.
I'm no expert, but I think it takes control away from the driver. When you let off of the brake, you don't want it to continue to brake. Might be wrong, but I doubt there are race cars set up to automatically start braking when the foot comes off the gas. I also think the regen braking is more than light. Kind of moderate.
How is it different? And what was he doing wrong?You don't drive electric cars the same as you do fossil cars, but apparently that was what Pobst was trying to do. They should have used a race driver who knows how to drive an EV (with its single-pedal regen/magnetic braking) like Romain Dumas, and the result would have been more telling.
I'm sure some of them are aware but using 60 treadwear tires as the factory tires on the P3D+ would be asinine. It would have been interesting for them to bring a set of track tires to put on the 3. I think running track tires sort of puts the Alfa in a different class like the BMW M3 GTS.I'm curious about the reaction of Tesla's engineers. Are they not aware of the stock tires used in QF prior to this event? I'd half expect that they've done their own internal benchmarking against the usual suspects (QF, M4, C63 S) based on Elon's "Will beat anything in its class on the track" tweet. So... Is there any basis to this claim at all? I haven't seen a single comparison test where P3D+ posted better #s than its rivals around a race track yet.
Because you are wrong. Unequal tires = invalid comparison.
By your logic they should just offer a P3D++ package with track tires just so they can beat the Alfa in this test. Very few people want to run 60TW tires on a street car. Do you want to change tires every 5000 miles?There’s a lot of things unequal in this comparison which is what makes it interesting... the whole power train is different... doesn’t invalidate the comparison one bit. Same class of car... The Alfa and M4 were benchmarked by Tesla... they should have beat them if they were serious about backing up Elon’s bluster.
By your logic they should just offer a P3D++ package with track tires just so they can beat the Alfa in this test. Very few people want to run 60TW tires on a street car. Do you want to change tires every 5000 miles?
I guess I didn’t expect the P3D+ to even come close to Elon’s bluster so I’m very impressed!