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That's just another reason why Musk seems to be wasting his time trying to get people to go to the S. The people already in line for a three either don't want an S (like you) or probably can't afford the S.
Here's why: Elon stated that he put his best engineers on the factory i.e. designing the machine that makes the machine. Other car manufacturers worldwide make both LHD and RHD drive cars on the same line. Tesla used to shut the line down, switch over to making RHD cars for the rest of the World then shut the line down and switch back to LHD. But they don't do that for S and X anymore as people on factory tours have reported seeing both versions on the same line. Makes sense as shutting the line causes delays and inefficiencies. This made me believe that all the brains that Tesla put on the task of optimising the production machine would try to get the most efficient machine possible. They even hired the Audi guy who has massive experience in setting up production facilities.
This is why I hoped that out of the 350,000 reservation holders Tesla would make maybe 100,000 cars and then start making some right hand drive cars for the rest of us that pre-ordered. But that's not going to happen. So as some people here have said - out side of the US it's actually pointless having a reservation, queuing or pre-ordering in any way. Tesla will have made and shipped literally hundreds of thousands of 3's before one rolls off the oat in Australia. Since we're waiting until September or October 2018 for a car I don't see any disadvantage in taking back my $1000 and then re-ordering in mid-2018 when the cars are a known quantity. all the bugs are out etc etc. Model s' will be available used in Aus and at a good price as there'll be 4 year old ones - with free super charging. There'll even be a could of used Model X's by that time I reckon.
Az_Rael you are right of course, I mistakenly confused performance with ludicrous and should have known better.
It will be interesting with the Model 3 though to see if the dual motor comes out before the performance option this time.
My hunch is yes especially with so many people upset about that lack of AWD availability out of the gate.
strider
Active Member
I think that the cold hard reality of upcoming deadlines have slapped him in the face. I'm sure he would have preferred to ship the most expensive cars first as that brings in the most profit to Tesla. But at this point he needs to ship cars on time. His investors only care about shipping a certain number of cars at each milestone. They can pad the margins later.
Of course the other theory is that he's saying all this stuff to sustain MS sales for the next 6 months. I've never heard Elon use the word "just" to describe one of his products. That has me suspicious that he's sandbagging Model 3. All will be revealed in due time...
We ended up buying a used Model S, from Tesla, and are very happy with it. However, I'm glad we also kept our Model 3 reservation, as the advent of the AP2 hardware was significant to us and we've since solidified our plans to purchase a Model 3 (however, not until AWD is available). That would make us an all-EV family!
If you need the $1000 or are worried that it might disappear if Tesla folds, then sure, get it back for now.
Otherwise, why not keep the reservation? It can't hurt, and particularly if demand proves especially high, it could still help you get your Model 3 sooner than others in your country.
This ^
The only slight modifier I would suggest is that the higher priced cars also improve cash flow, which is probably a more important/watched metric right now.
JOEV1
*****joe
Perfect Argument! On the other hand, there are virtually no more Drive Unit problems since MSD (simply because this enormous power Density is shared by two motors) and that would speak really for such option because of the numbers of M3 that are going to be on the road. I am sure EM dont want to start with an image damaging and costly ramp-up. The 2nd DU as an option is for many around the forum an incentive to order an M3.
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diamond.g
Active Member
I wonder if they have started asking the workers what variant they want and found most didn't want AWD, so since they would likely get their rides first may as well make RWD first...
As an investor (albeit an insignificantly microscopic one, with just a few hundred shares) I don't give a fig about milestones or numbers. What I care about (other than getting my Model 3) is the long-term success of the company. Whatever Musk has to do to ensure that success is okay by me, and I have more confidence in his business acumen than in my ability to second-guess the market or the exigencies of production.
I would rather Tesla miss deadlines and build high-quality cars, than sacrifice quality to meet deadlines.
But I'm still disappointed that I'll have to wait an additional year for my Performance AWD Model 3.
How does the lack of a tax credit make or break this decision when you already own a Model S and X? $7500 is clearly not that big of a deal to you lol.
I agree this is a possibility. Along this logic, it would also mean by the time the 3 ships to general public in meaningful numbers outside of Tesla/SpaceX employees it would be 6-9 months later (Assuming this timeline he talks about is so important to success that it's no longer in Elons time)
Zaphod
Galaxy President (former)
If it's anything like the S now, the frunk is same regardless. I'm sure it was done as cost saving and manufacturing efficiencies. So I wouldn't put much hope in larger frunk for RWD cars.
Dream on ... Elon Time means double the original estimate
Yes, which is why only the favorites always win horse races, because past performance is always a perfect indicator of future performance.
The Model 3 is a much simpler car, and Tesla has had over 3 years of "lessons learned" to draw upon when designing both the Model 3 and the production line used to manufacture the Model 3. To imply that just because Tesla took twice as long to do some things in the past means that everything they do in the future will also take twice as long implies they are incompetent or stupid. I don't think anyone here would attribute those qualities to Elon or the rest of the company. YMMV...
RT
Not just any single bag, but a custom bag designed to make the frunk look bigger!
One bag!? Just one bag!?!?! I'm canceling right now!
One bag!? Just one bag!?!?! I'm canceling right now!
You know how actual premium/luxury sportscars/vehicles have designer bags made especially made for their trunks and frunks.
Given the budget nature of this Tesla, I think Ikea would be the perfect partner to create that Myskström set of bags for the Model 3 frunk. They could make the out of recycled coffee capsules or somesuch.
... I had to throw you a disagree on this.
Whilst past performance is not a perfect indicator, it is statistically more accurate than having zero historical data. (Hint: Bookies are masters of statistics, and that's why favourites are favourites, which is why ultimately the bookies win)
david_42
Member
Judging by the number of people running studded tires in an area where it snows every third year, I think your estimate is a bit low. Of course, I believe many of them do it because noise from the studded tires remind them of the baseball cards they stuck in their bike's spokes so many years ago. Four more days.
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