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[P0] China Model 3 Users Mistreated

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I'm Stan. I would like to report to Tesla a P0 issue related to #1 the ugly and unfair treatment of China users and possibly, #2 the worse facts behind the scene. I would like to be as objective as possible by only providing evidence without subjective opinions.


I hope this can remind Tesla that they are not operating with integrity in China. I will probably return the car if this is not answered (appropriately) - just to say i as a user am not ok with it.

#0. HOW I LOVED TESLA
I just want to provide two screenshot, you can tell how i loved Tesla. My sales manager Angela Sun also knows how i proactively protected Tesla brand reputation when there were challenges on social media.


yet this is not the case any more due to the incidences.

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(didn’t translate since this is minor)


#1. WHAT HAPPENED TO ME
Long-story-short version: I was formally invited to have my car delivered on 02/22 then was replaced by a later comer (mine was postponed), and then fobbed off with a untrue explanation. Timeline and evidence are as follows:


I placed my order in mid december 2018 and made the first batch of payment.


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//my account


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//my payment detail


On 02/14 the delivery manager formally invited me to participant in delivery ceremony on 02/22, I regarded it as an honor and confirmed (after removing all meetings on the day and taking one day off from work)

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//chat history


On the following days, the sales manager and delivery manager kept communicating with me on the details such as bank loan, insurance and so on.

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//chat history (the content is minor so i didn’t translate)


Side story: I planned to give Model 3 to my wife as a surprise. Thus i booked flight to bring my wife and two daughters from Shenzhen to Beijing on 02/21 (one day before the delivery date). This part is my responsibility, i have zero intention to let Tesla to be responsible, i just want let them know how their invitation impacted user.

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// the flight itinerary of my wife and daughters from Shenzhen to Beijing on 02/21


On 02/18 (4 days before the delivery), I was suddenly told that I’m not in the invitation list of the 6 users and cannot have my car delivered on the day. The decision is made without any communication with me before hand. How can a company had invited a customer and committed to deliver the car then removed him without any communication until last minute?

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//chat history



On 08/18 at 6:30pm, I was told that the delivery manager actually had been already “unreasonably” told that I was removed from the list on 02/15 (on the second day she invited me) by a marketer (later investigation reveals this person is someone with surname initial X). She hold this information until today (02/18) as she wanted to get me back in the list yet failed.

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//chat history


On 02/18 at 8pm, I asked the delivery manager to have a phone call with me. We had this 21min long phone call with voice recorded. This reveals:


  1. I was replaced by a person who didn’t RSVP and “recently” confirmed that he can get back to the country and join.

  2. A marketing manager(surname initial X) made the decision to directly replace me with a pseudo reason that he placed order earlier than me. But the reality is, the time of placing the order was never one of the considering factor of deciding the 6 people list. You can also see it in following #3:

  3. A customer (surname initial W) with Performance order) “specially” arranged since he was a KOL and threatened that he will return the car. He replaced someone yet it is not me since the models are different

  4. Delivery manager knows how this is conducted properly, she felt very frustrated on my case as well as other cases, thus she even asked me to voice out.



#2. THE EVEN-WORSE FACTS

1, Change rule for bad player who has voice while bullying the normal users.

After one minor KOL Yubo Wang complained Tesla in Wechat group, Weibo, and threatened via a online video that he livestream car returning using the Return Policy. This KOL said Tesla proactively reached out to him and add him to the 6 people list (though he deleted the post/video and changed the narrative on Weibo).

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//screenshot (due to the sensitivity, i have but i don’t want to attach the personal chat that he reveal how Tesla contacted him


2, Tesla team misuse the right for personal relationship.


Re: delivery ceremony on 02/22, the very first press/media (person with name initial CY) “specially” whitelisted before others, simply because the personal relationship between CY and a Tesla manager with surname initial Y). Ironically this placeholder order was kept until CY made the payment later on.


This decision seemed changed afterwards to prevent public challenges. But the darkness in the process still remain.


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// the screenshot of first order


#3 MY QUESTION TO TESLA CHINA AND CENTRAL TEAM ARE:
  • Why the situation can be so chaotic

  • Why Tesla employee can intervene the transparent process that the company had publicly announced.

  • When there is an issue, why Tesla want to fob off user with a untrue reason instead of communicating transparently

  • Even in worst case this happens, Tesla can do much better job than just letting the delivery manager to say “decision-is-made” type of message to users. I was feel completely ignorant.
 
I had hoped that Tesla's chaotic delivery processes and poor communication with Model 3 deliveries in the US last year were just a part of the rapid increase in production and that Tesla would learn from their mistakes and improve things. Unfortunately Tesla appears to be exporting poor customer relations and bad delivery experiences world wide along with the Model 3. The existential threat to Tesla is not new vehicles from Porsche, Audi, Jaguar, Rivan or new startups, but loosing the goodwill and reputation for taking care of customers that has helped them grow with minimal traditional marketing expenses. I understand your frustration and disappointment and I would feel the same way in your situation. All I can say is I love my Model 3. It is the best purchase I have ever made and 4 months later I still look forward to driving it every chance I get. I hope Tesla can improve quickly in this area so people can just enjoy a truly revolutionary product and unconditionally recommend it to others without having to make excuses for lousy customer service or delivery issues that should never happen.
 
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If I'm getting it right you were dumped for someone who threatened to make a stink unless getting his mug in the PR photos, then were served transparent lies in a shoddy attempt to cover up the fact that Tesla submitted to this blackmail.

It is a lamentably weak and insulting performance on their part, for which they should naturally offer suitable reparations.

If they do not voluntarily do the right thing I would extract a free set of winter wheels from them upon delivery (if you are still taking the car) under the tactfully delivered advice that you will otherwise have to talk to several newspapers about publishing the gory details of this interlude with full names, etc.
 
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I feel for you. I took delivery at the end of the year and it was very chaotic in the USA. My delivery date got changed 3 times, Delivery specialist would not reply to emails, they added features to my invoice that I did not choose and they failed to set up home delivery like they promised. In the end, the car was worth it, but Tesla service really needs to step up their game. Its infuriating, but once you get the car I believe you will love it.

You mentioned you are in Shenzhen. My wife is Chinese so we stay in Zhuhai half the year. We considered buying a 2nd Model 3 in China. Are there no Tesla stores in Guangdong? If not, will they deliver to your city or do you have to go all the way to Beijing or Shanghai to pickup?
 
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This is a long, long post to say: Tesla’s delivery process is still awful.

I know China is just learning all this, but U.S. customers have been dealing with this the entire production ramp.

I don't know that any US customers had to deal with someone threatening negative publicity and being given their car sooner. The guy making the threats probably had some pretty good connections with the Communist party too.
 
I don't know that any US customers had to deal with someone threatening negative publicity and being given their car sooner. The guy making the threats probably had some pretty good connections with the Communist party too.

Yep, it sounds like a government official threatening bad publicity if he isn't first in line and Tesla caving to avoid it.
 
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The fact is that the guy who did threatening replaced someone else ( I also have the evidence...), and i'm not sure who replaced me. Remember, there are only 6 seats for the first batch of China delivery, among which i witness 3 replacements including my case.
 
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Forgive me for saying this (normally when someone says that the next thing they say is rude / inflammatory etc)... but isnt it fairly standard practice in Asian Cultures to defer to the "more important" person?

Not from the customer (so not from the OP) but from the company perspective. I know I did not read everything word for word, but it appears to me that the OP was promised the car, made plans, then got bumped for "someone more important" to tesla china than he was.

That would not be standard practice here in the US (at least not so blatantly), but isnt it fairly normal for companies in China / Japan etc to pay more attention / defer to "important" people?

Sucks that it happened to this OP, but I am not sure how different this is than other business dealings there, especially for PR grabbing things.

Am I incorrect with this? If so, I apologize.
 
Forgive me for saying this (normally when someone says that the next thing they say is rude / inflammatory etc)... but isnt it fairly standard practice in Asian Cultures to defer to the "more important" person?

Not from the customer (so not from the OP) but from the company perspective. I know I did not read everything word for word, but it appears to me that the OP was promised the car, made plans, then got bumped for "someone more important" to tesla china than he was.

That would not be standard practice here in the US (at least not so blatantly), but isnt it fairly normal for companies in China / Japan etc to pay more attention / defer to "important" people?

Sucks that it happened to this OP, but I am not sure how different this is than other business dealings there, especially for PR grabbing things.

Am I incorrect with this? If so, I apologize.

No, it is not standard practice in China at all either. I understand culture in both side, actually often time, showing respect to the commitment is more important in JP/KR/CN culture (see seppuku or hara-kiri in JP culture).
 
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