If we begin from the premise the paying taxes is a responsibility, ...
Are you sure that all the people who pay no Federal Income Tax are irresponsible? That's not what DNC says.
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If we begin from the premise the paying taxes is a responsibility, ...
If we begin from the premise the paying taxes is a responsibility, to fund the government services we demand, then rescinding a tax credit is not "pilfering." In fact, the tax credit is "pilfering" from all the people who pay taxes but cannot afford to buy a new car.
Neither you nor anybody else had a "right" to have your car purchase subsidized to the tune of $7,500 of other people's tax money.
Rather, somebody came up with the hare-brained notion that we'd get more EVs on the road if the government subsidized their purchase at a time when demand already exceeds supply. (Same thing happened with the Prius.) If the Republicans do rescind the tax credit, it will be the first intelligent thing they've done since Lincoln freed the slaves.
If we begin from the premise the paying taxes is a responsibility, to fund the government services we demand, then rescinding a tax credit is not "pilfering." In fact, the tax credit is "pilfering" from all the people who pay taxes but cannot afford to buy a new car.
Neither you nor anybody else had a "right" to have your car purchase subsidized to the tune of $7,500 of other people's tax money. Rather, somebody came up with the hare-brained notion that we'd get more EVs on the road if the government subsidized their purchase at a time when demand already exceeds supply. (Same thing happened with the Prius.) If the Republicans do rescind the tax credit, it will be the first intelligent thing they've done since Lincoln freed the slaves.
…and this is why if I like a piece of art, I just buy a print. Looks the same, costs a fraction as much, works the same way.
... If the GOP was desperately searching the tax code for ways to reduce the burden on working and middle class Americans...
... I could walk out now and buy a leaf, a bolt, prius prime, or i3 before my lunch break is over. ...
Are you sure that all the people who pay no Federal Income Tax are irresponsible? That's not what DNC says.
Absolutely untrue. I own some original oil paintings and some prints. The prints only bear a resemblance to the originals. All of the texture is lost and the colors don't snap the way they do on an original. Even a high-quality giclee (which will still be very expensive, maybe 1/3 or 1/4 the cost of the original) is not the same as an original. Not to mention that while prints are available of all the really famous paintings, lesser-known artist's works are not always available as prints.
The painting I was referring to has considerable depth and contour of the paint, all of which would be lost in a print.
Fine you think there are better ways to incentivize EVs or that you think there are more pressing issues that need funding, but this bill does none of that. Without the credits or something like them, I think the leaf, volt, and bolt all flop. The 3 gets at most half the US preorders. No one joins Tesla in the race to get EV prices down and they remain toys for the rich. The tax credits have been and will continue to work if they aren't killed.If they wanted to promote electric transportation, the way to do it is not to give money to car buyers. The way to do it is to invest in battery technology and make the patents public domain. If government-funded research could cut 10% off the price of batteries it would do more good than all the present tax credits put together.
And I've made it clear many times that I oppose ALL tax breaks. I especially oppose all the subsidies given to the fossil fuel industry, not the least of which is that they don't have to pay for the downstream effects of their pollution. But I call out the people (whether they be EV enthusiasts or oil companies) who can always find reasons why the government should give them money. The government should be spending its money insuring that every citizen has access to quality health care, not making it easier for rich people to buy $50,000 cars.
I'll take all the money they'll give me, but it's just not good government policy.
But the fact is that if Tesla offered a car for the price of a Leaf, it probably wouldn't be that much better than a Leaf. Quality and range both cost money.
Hmmm if the ev tax credits are gone, 3 of my relatives are going to cancel their deposit. On the flip side, those who are waiting will get faster priority.
One of them said, “it’s not worth getting if there 7500 is going away”
Keep in mind these are middle class income earners between 75,000 - 120,000 per person.
Well even if the tax credit stays, Tesla only have about 50,000 cars available next year. They will probably reach that number with just MS and MX sales in about 6 months? Adding in M3.. probably will be gone by April?
That's not how the credit works. Once they reach that number, they have the rest of that quarter and the next for full credit, two more of half credit, and two more of 1/4 credit. I like how the phase out is planned, it still gives you 6 quarters of urgent customers until the money is gone, and even at the end your car's price only goes up $1875.Well even if the tax credit stays, Tesla only have about 50,000 cars available next year. They will probably reach that number with just MS and MX sales in about 6 months? Adding in M3.. probably will be gone by April?
Always remember that when voting, whether it concerns Tesla or when it affects you personally, rather than the other guy that gets screwed.but because it will be a reminder that it's me they're pilfering the money from, not Tesla. If it's their prerogative to hurt hard working taxpayers, so be it.
That's not how the credit works. Once they reach that number, they have the rest of that quarter and the next for full credit, two more of half credit, and two more of 1/4 credit. I like how the phase out is planned, it still gives you 6 quarters of urgent customers until the money is gone, and even at the end your car's price only goes up $1875.
I DISAGREE with almost everything in your post, I don't know where to begin. Perhaps you did not frame your premise in the manner you wished. But most of all I find offensive comparing repealing the EV tax credit with Lincoln freeing slaves, which is hyperbole in the least and gross insensitivity at the most.If we begin from the premise the paying taxes is a responsibility, to fund the government services we demand, then rescinding a tax credit is not "pilfering." In fact, the tax credit is "pilfering" from all the people who pay taxes but cannot afford to buy a new car.
Neither you nor anybody else had a "right" to have your car purchase subsidized to the tune of $7,500 of other people's tax money. Rather, somebody came up with the hare-brained notion that we'd get more EVs on the road if the government subsidized their purchase at a time when demand already exceeds supply. (Same thing happened with the Prius.) If the Republicans do rescind the tax credit, it will be the first intelligent thing they've done since Lincoln freed the slaves.
California is expensive, isn't it? Those folks will be losing significant $$ if the state taxes aren't deductible from federal taxes too. Heck, they may all end up paying more in taxes next year.Hmmm if the ev tax credits are gone, 3 of my relatives are going to cancel their deposit. On the flip side, those who are waiting will get faster priority.
One of them said, “it’s not worth getting if the 7500 is going away”
Keep in mind these are middle class income earners between 75,000 - 120,000 per person.
Car's price "goes up" $7500 for first 6 months then $3750 for next 6 then $1875 for next 6. With current projections, if the credit stays in place, those would be the 2nd half of 2018, 1st half of 2019 and 2nd half of 2019 respectively.That's not how the credit works. Once they reach that number, they have the rest of that quarter and the next for full credit, two more of half credit, and two more of 1/4 credit. I like how the phase out is planned, it still gives you 6 quarters of urgent customers until the money is gone, and even at the end your car's price only goes up $1875.