Pre-Condition for non-Tesla Supercharger

in2survive · Sep 25, 2022

I ordered my CCS adaptor, which is finally available it North America. However, is there a way to pre-condition the battery when heading to a non-Tesla supercharger?

Ideally I would like Tesla to treat 3rd party CCS superchargers as a Tesla Supercharge in the navigation. For example, having them automatically added to the route if there is no Tesla supercharger in the path. Personally, I find it hard to imagine Tesla doing that, since it would drive people away from their superchargers, but from a customer perspective, it would be awesome when travelling. In the other hand, if the charging station is busy, it would actually help them.

Cyberspeed · Sep 25, 2022

just put a near supercharger in as destination first then navigate to ccs. The car will warm the battery thinking its getting ready to charge. Then you can DC fast charge at a non-tesla site with your CCS adapter.

TomServo · Sep 25, 2022

So I guess you use a phone to navigate to a CCS location and the car to navigate to a SuperCharger? I wonder if Tesla will add a FOURTH Charger option to select CCS locations from within the Nav.

in2survive · Sep 25, 2022

TomServo said:
So I guess you use a phone to navigate to a CCS location and the car to navigate to a SuperCharger? I wonder if Tesla will add a FOURTH Charger option to select CCS locations from within the Nav.

That would be super handy!

in2survive · Sep 25, 2022

Cyberspeed said:
just put a near supercharger in as destination first then navigate to ccs. The car will warm the battery thinking its getting ready to charge. Then you can DC fast charge at a non-tesla site with your CCS adapter.

I guess I was thinking more where you don’t have a Tesla super charger (SC) close by. For example, I was going to Gaspe in northern Quebec, (Canada) and at the moment there is no SC there. It would be nice if the car considered the CCS chargers… there are lots in Quebec.
Of course, the other reason to use other SC is $$, at least in Canada.

Cyberspeed · Sep 25, 2022

in2survive said:
I guess I was thinking more where you don’t have a Tesla super charger (SC) close by. For example, I was going to Gaspe in northern Quebec, (Canada) and at the moment there is no SC there. It would be nice if the car considered the CCS chargers… there are lots in Quebec.
Of course, the other reason to use other SC is $$, at least in Canada.

good point. Never been to Quebec so my sense of geography is not helpful. EA here in Ohio is close to tesla supercharger sites (for the most part).

Look forward to hearing what others say.

Again I stayed at a holiday inn express so take my advice with a grain of salt: I bet Tesla will thermal manage the battery to prevent any harm while charging so worst case you just do not get the full KW while charging till the battery gets to a "safe" temp.

MP3Mike · Sep 25, 2022

TomServo said:
I wonder if Tesla will add a FOURTH Charger option to select CCS locations from within the Nav.

In Europe they already list some 3rd party CCS chargers. Even in the US EVgo sites with a CHAdeMO adapter are listed in the two lightning bolt section.

Now that they are selling the adapter I'm guessing that they will add an option somewhere to indicate that you have a CCS adapter.

in2survive · Sep 26, 2022

MP3Mike said:
In Europe they already list some 3rd party CCS chargers. Even in the US EVgo sites with a CHAdeMO adapter are listed in the two lightning bolt section.

Now that they are selling the adapter I'm guessing that they will add an option somewhere to indicate that you have a CCS adapter.

Didn’t know that, in that case I assume it is a question of time. Thanks @MP3Mike

Kandiru · Sep 26, 2022

Cyberspeed said:
just put a near supercharger in as destination first then navigate to ccs. The car will warm the battery thinking its getting ready to charge. Then you can DC fast charge at a non-tesla site with your CCS adapter.

EV equivalent of mule breeding. Good tip though.

MP3Mike · Dec 21, 2022

Tesla has officially announced how they are going to maintain the 3rd party charger listings in the car, starting in Europe and Israel:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1605631716923539458

Improving Access to Third-Party Fast Charging | Tesla Support

Third-party fast chargers that meet our performance and reliability standards will be added to Tesla’s navigation automatically as Qualified Third-Party Chargers.

www.tesla.com

Qualified Charging Station Requirements

For a charging station to be included in Tesla’s navigation system, it must meet these conditions over a 60-day period:

At least one compatible charging connector

Frequently used by Tesla drivers at least once every four days

Average charge success rate is 90% or higher

To detect inoperable chargers quickly and provide the best experience for our customers, stations will be removed from Tesla’s navigation system if any of the following conditions are met over a 14-day period:

No charge sessions detected

Average charge success rate falls below 70%

I wonder how long before they expand that to start covering North America. (Not that, from my experience, many EA sites would qualify.)

fiehlsport · Dec 21, 2022

I've had to navigate to a random Supercharger using the car's nav, then use Apple maps on my phone to navigate to the CCS charger I want to use. It's kind of confusing while driving, but you get used to it.

I'm sure eventually this will be fixed, but who knows how long it will take.

Bikeman · Dec 21, 2022

Another method, while not officially supported, is to use the S3XY buttons accessory fuction (one of many) to pre-condition the batteries prior to charging.

GBMaryland · Dec 22, 2022

Bikeman said:
Another method, while not officially supported, is to use the S3XY buttons accessory fuction (one of many) to pre-condition the batteries prior to charging.

I was going to mention that…

THE ONLY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT IT DOES NOT PUT ANY ICONS ON THE SCREEN. IT’S JUST SUPPOSEDLY DOING IT BEHIND THE SCENES.

GBMaryland · Dec 22, 2022

(I have no idea why Siri made that all capital letters)

Cyberspeed · Dec 22, 2022

GBMaryland said:
I was going to mention that…

THE ONLY ISSUE WITH IT IS THAT IT DOES NOT PUT ANY ICONS ON THE SCREEN. IT’S JUST SUPPOSEDLY DOING IT BEHIND THE SCENES.

I need to look into these. Do not know much about them.

Bikeman · Dec 22, 2022

Cyberspeed said:
I need to look into these. Do not know much about them.

Very long thread on these with the developer in the house.

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ProtonopeSJ · Feb 19, 2023

in2survive said:
I ordered my CCS adaptor, which is finally available it North America. However, is there a way to pre-condition the battery when heading to a non-Tesla supercharger?

Ideally I would like Tesla to treat 3rd party CCS superchargers as a Tesla Supercharge in the navigation. For example, having them automatically added to the route if there is no Tesla supercharger in the path. Personally, I find it hard to imagine Tesla doing that, since it would drive people away from their superchargers, but from a customer perspective, it would be awesome when travelling. In the other hand, if the charging station is busy, it would actually help them.

I would like to express really strong support for your sentiment. Tesla now sells its own CCS1 adaptor for $350 Can (not cheap) and it makes sense to support it in navigation software ( along with their J1772 adaptor) especially in Canada where Tesla has few chargers in outlying areas. Quebec is arguably Canada's most progressive province for EV's and you can get around it pretty well even in some northern areas where the nearest Superchargers are pretty distant. From my point of view the really important thing in supporting these non-Tesla chargers in navigation is enabling the preconditioning of the battery for the charging stop. That's part of effective vehicle maintenance and it does not make sense to drive customers preferentially only to (non-existent) Tesla chargers while at the same time Tesla chargers are being increasingly opened up to non-Tesla drivers. Otherwise it can become a lose-lose for Tesla owners.

MP3Mike · Feb 19, 2023

ProtonopeSJ said:
I would like to express really strong support for your sentiment. Tesla now sells its own CCS1 adaptor for $350 Can (not cheap) and it makes sense to support it in navigation software ( along with their J1772 adaptor) especially in Canada where Tesla has few chargers in outlying areas.

Actually, it is only $240 Candian now: https://shop.tesla.com/en_ca/product/ccs-combo-1-adapter

bobtire · May 22, 2023

Bumping this thread. Totally nuts to sell the CCS1 adapter and provide no way to pre-condition the car without insane work-arounds that require a Supercharger to be close enough to trick the car to pre-condition. This should be a simple button in the app or energy screen. Insane there's no option for this.

gt2690b · May 22, 2023

bobtire said:
Bumping this thread. Totally nuts to sell the CCS1 adapter and provide no way to pre-condition the car without insane work-arounds that require a Supercharger to be close enough to trick the car to pre-condition. This should be a simple button in the app or energy screen. Insane there's no option for this.

even worse in my limited CCS charging experience... the CCS does not increase the charging power from the initial handshake phase... so if youre car tells it the max power is like 25kw when you first plug it in.. the charger may not increase as the battery warms up ... at least that was my experience on the only occasion i tried it

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