XLR8OR
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Hi CapeOne,
Respectfully, I disagree, but perhaps on a theoretical point. The equity you refer to is external to the asset itself, namely the car. In neither case does the lessee have equity in the car, nor will they, because they don't own it. They have it elsewhere, and second-order effects don't count. No doubt someone will point out that if the residual of a car is $X, and the market value at lease-end is $X+Y, that's equity. Actually, it's not; it's arbitrage, which is different. Plus, from a practical standpoint it's hard to pull off: you have to buy the car from the lessor, get title, and then sell it. And why would the new buyer buy it from you, when they can buy it from the lessor?
I once had a finance professor, many moons ago, who beat into my thick skull the mantra to "never confuse the investing decision with the financing decision." People often do, but should keep this in mind. With very rare exceptions, a new car is not an appreciating asset; quite the reverse, which is usually an indicator that leasing is likely to be the better financing decision for a tax-sensitive investor (aka the guy with the car).
People lease for a number of reasons, but a very common one is that they really can't afford to finance the car through a normal auto loan, which requires up-front equity (the down payment). The purist in me says that's dumb, but who am I to say?
As buckerine correctly points out, when you lease you should think of yourself as locked in for the lease term. You can find someone to take over the lease, but it's a PITA.
Chilliban is also correct about BMW's leases. I've leased BMWs for years, and BMW's captive finance subsidiary does a good job. The leasing market for Teslas is still quite new, and right now USBank is the only volume player (note that Tesla isn't the lessor). When I leased a new car 3 years ago (a BMW 6 convertible that I'm replacing with a MS90D), there were no leases available for Teslas (Elon's value guarantee benchmarks against E-Class Mercedes didn't count, because you had the pink slip, whereas in a lease the lessor does). Back then, the lease-vs-buy analysis of the BMW vs the Tesla, two comparatively priced cars, was hugely in favor of the BMW. As the aftermarket gets more experience with the resale value of Teslas other lessors will enter the market.
As always, YMMV...
Respectfully, I disagree, but perhaps on a theoretical point. The equity you refer to is external to the asset itself, namely the car. In neither case does the lessee have equity in the car, nor will they, because they don't own it. They have it elsewhere, and second-order effects don't count. No doubt someone will point out that if the residual of a car is $X, and the market value at lease-end is $X+Y, that's equity. Actually, it's not; it's arbitrage, which is different. Plus, from a practical standpoint it's hard to pull off: you have to buy the car from the lessor, get title, and then sell it. And why would the new buyer buy it from you, when they can buy it from the lessor?
I once had a finance professor, many moons ago, who beat into my thick skull the mantra to "never confuse the investing decision with the financing decision." People often do, but should keep this in mind. With very rare exceptions, a new car is not an appreciating asset; quite the reverse, which is usually an indicator that leasing is likely to be the better financing decision for a tax-sensitive investor (aka the guy with the car).
People lease for a number of reasons, but a very common one is that they really can't afford to finance the car through a normal auto loan, which requires up-front equity (the down payment). The purist in me says that's dumb, but who am I to say?
As buckerine correctly points out, when you lease you should think of yourself as locked in for the lease term. You can find someone to take over the lease, but it's a PITA.
Chilliban is also correct about BMW's leases. I've leased BMWs for years, and BMW's captive finance subsidiary does a good job. The leasing market for Teslas is still quite new, and right now USBank is the only volume player (note that Tesla isn't the lessor). When I leased a new car 3 years ago (a BMW 6 convertible that I'm replacing with a MS90D), there were no leases available for Teslas (Elon's value guarantee benchmarks against E-Class Mercedes didn't count, because you had the pink slip, whereas in a lease the lessor does). Back then, the lease-vs-buy analysis of the BMW vs the Tesla, two comparatively priced cars, was hugely in favor of the BMW. As the aftermarket gets more experience with the resale value of Teslas other lessors will enter the market.
As always, YMMV...