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The EPC shows that the motor part number and costs to be very different. LR is around $2500 for the rear motor, and $9080 for the Plaid rear motor.
There' more than just motor that looks to be different between the two. Take a look through the EPC for details.
No need for lightweighting
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It definitely is software limited seeing how hard it pulls after 60 and considering the high trap speed relative to the older P100D. I would definitely pay for a software unlock to bring it to where it's capable of.Told by family member at Tesla product planning that the LR model is currently being limited 0~65 by software for now and he believes a update/upgrade option will enable it to do better in the future. When asked if it is "able" to do 2.3sec. 0-60 like the prior Ludacris model (Raven) his response was, "it can do better".
This supports my theory that the two versions are really close. Plaid has the 3rd motor, but is comes with more weight, using the same power/battery. They both have the exact same braking systems. With rollout vs/ no rollout, and the assumption that the new updated LR is more advanced than Raven, you gotta believe Plaid vs. LR "capability" difference is less than 0.3 seconds.
It also would suggest that plaid really will become the plaid plus once they have the newer battery ready to properly power a 3rd motor. It almost doesnt make sense to power the 3 motor with the same as the dual... marketing!
Curious to see how the buttons are and if cold weather affects them.
Trap speeds were awesome. The LR is really pulling on the other end. If it is $5k or less, I'd buy it immediately.It definitely is software limited seeing how hard it pulls after 60 and considering the high trap speed relative to the older P100D. I would definitely pay for a software unlock to bring it to where it's capable of.
One thing that's interesting to me is that it's capable of "670 horsepower" which is basically exactly 500kw. The older hardware is capable of more than this so I would be surprised if this new car isn't.
How much would you guys be willing to pay to bring it up to where it could be? I'd probably drop $10k.
Told by family member at Tesla product planning that the LR model is currently being limited 0~65 by software for now and he believes a update/upgrade option will enable it to do better in the future. When asked if it is "able" to do 2.3sec. 0-60 like the prior Ludacris model (Raven) his response was, "it can do better".
This supports my theory that the two versions are really close. Plaid has the 3rd motor, but is comes with more weight, using the same power/battery. They both have the exact same braking systems. With rollout vs/ no rollout, and the assumption that the new updated LR is more advanced than Raven, you gotta believe Plaid vs. LR "capability" difference is less than 0.3 seconds.
It also would suggest that plaid really will become the plaid plus once they have the newer battery ready to properly power a 3rd motor. It almost doesnt make sense to power the 3 motor with the same as the dual... marketing!
Yeah, but if you think about outgoing dual motor version, it could hit 2.3 0-60. With rollout factored, its pretty damn close to Plaid. I also agree with your line of thinking, but if they do that the price for Plaid will increase too.Despite the 3rd drive unit adding more weight, it's not *that* much more weight. It's also carbon sleeved and add's an additional 410 Nm of torque. I don't think that much additional torque is only a 0.3 second difference. Plaid will become what was going to be the Plaid Plus, but they'll probably just do a refresh and keep calling it the Plaid
The main benefits of the third motor and carbon sleeve are top speed and torque curve at higher RPM from what I understand.Despite the 3rd drive unit adding more weight, it's not *that* much more weight. It's also carbon sleeved and add's an additional 410 Nm of torque. I don't think that much additional torque is only a 0.3 second difference. Plaid will become what was going to be the Plaid Plus, but they'll probably just do a refresh and keep calling it the Plaid
Front motors are the same, and by that I also confirmed both front motors have carbon fiber sleeves. Rear motors completely different.Went through the EPC and also crawled under both cars recently. Rear drive units are of course very different. Inverters are different. Same pack. Front motors look the same and are priced the same ($4000). Rear subframe in the Plaid has a larger cavity to fit the massive drive unit. Couldn't find much else without actually tearing things down.
how'd you confirm the LR has carbon fiber sleeves?Front motors are the same, and by that I also confirmed both front motors have carbon fiber sleeves. Rear motors completely different.
I wanna know where he found a Model S with 2 front motors!how'd you confirm the LR has carbon fiber sleeves?
He was driving a Plaid in reverse................doh!I wanna know where he found a Model S with 2 front motors!
Agree. My 75D got “uncorked” from 5 sec 0-60 to 4 sec but it was just before the model 3 came out And Tesla wanted to maintain the performance advantage of the S over the cheaper 3. I don’t think they’ll uncork the LR unless they have to, and that means competition from outside. Right now an uncorked LR will damage Plaid sales, but as soon as another manufacturer comes out with a reasonably priced LR competitor with just slightly better performance than the LR, I think Tesla will improve the LR by changing the software limits to keep the LR ahead. So how long until that competitor arrives? Anyone’s guess. Still if one buys the LR, and awaits the forced upgrade, they’re betting that it’ll happen before Tesla comes out with a new S model designation. Once there’s a new one, the current LR will be forever limited because there’ll be the incentive to purchase the newer one that’s a little quicker.The main benefits of the third motor and carbon sleeve are top speed and torque curve at higher RPM from what I understand.
I think post 60 we’re basically at the limit of the LR. Pre-60 seems very software limited though based on what we’ve seen with the current post 60 performance. P100D was already near Plaid to 60 but tapered off a lot.
I hope I’m wrong but I don’t think we will see a LR acceleration boost DLC a la 3/Y for a couple years just because it discourages people from buying Plaid.
I have 2020 raven perf no battery heat no cheetah (ludicrous mode) 76%socAnyone know Raven Performance no roll out, no cheetah/ludicrous+, baseline ludicrous 0-60?
Very cool would love to see that.i will try to post dragy runs later