Replacement for Model S/X?

[Zer0t]

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My Model S feels more premium than the new ones, largely because of the steering wheel and levers. I think they're mostly Mercedes parts, which is totally cool with me.

My 2020 S switch gear (stalks and windows) were Mercedes Benz. My car just prior to that was a 2017 S550 and I laughed when I got in the Model S and say the same trim pieces.

 

[ucmndd]

As I’ve stated, they’ve only been able to keep their sales momentum with extremely aggressive price cuts and incentives.

More hyperbole that is only a compelling argument if you examine it in a vacuum...

EVERY volume brand aggressively lowered prices through MSRP/asking price reductions or dramatically raised incentives this year. Tesla isn't a particular outlier in this case. The price reductions came on the heels of a once in a generation run-up and automotive pricing bubble that was always going to pop. The idea of a damn near $70k base Model Y was always insane and it's good for everyone, Tesla included, that that's behind us. Lower prices will increase the overall market size and nobody is close to being able to capitalize on that opportunity as well as Tesla, for better or worse...

 

[tallypwner]

Now it's like cheap unknown origin haptic buttons and touchscreens.

Bring back the Mercedes interior!

 

[AMPd]

Now it's like cheap unknown origin haptic buttons and touchscreens.

Bring back the Mercedes interior!

When did Tesla have a Mercedes interior? I’ve owned a model s since 2014 and don’t recall them ever having a Mercedes interior

 

[ucmndd]

When did Tesla have a Mercedes interior? I’ve owned a model s since 2014 and don’t recall them ever having a Mercedes interior

The stalks and a few other pieces of interior switchgear from the vintage Model S are straight from the early 2000s Mercedes parts bin.

Apparently that was the peak of automotive excellence that we all need to go back to.

 

[AMPd]

The stalks and a few other pieces of interior switchgear from the vintage Model S are straight from the early 2000s Mercedes parts bin.

Apparently that was the peak of automotive excellence that we all need to go back to.

yeah I remember the stalks were from Mercedes.
But that’s hardly a “Mercedes interior”

 

[cptnslo]

The stalks and a few other pieces of interior switchgear from the vintage Model S are straight from the early 2000s Mercedes parts bin.

Apparently that was the peak of automotive excellence that we all need to go back to.

You mean you actually want storage pockets in your doors!? Blasphemy!!!

 

[smogne41]

I also like mechanical watches so I'm probably in the minority there. Not everything needs to be haptic touchscreen autonomous. It just feels cheap for old timers.

Not just old timers. All my younger friends hate touch-anything in cars as well and strongly prefer tactile controls. And all my friends are very tech-savvy and many work in tech/engineering/science.

 

[Excaliber]

Push comes to shove the BMW IX looks like a bargain used. Great reviews and a lot cheaper than Model S or X

I bought a 2023 BMW iX M60 because it was styled like a traditional easy to get in and out of SUV.It's very smooth and quiet cabin more tightly made than my 2021 Tesla Model S Plaid I got used from Carmax as a second fun car for it's 1020 hp acceleration.

The text size is bigger and more color filled than the small Tesla text.
The console has buttons and a wheel to access the screen functions.
Unless you specifically shut it down before exiting it will stay on for 10-15 minutes
The Tesla has a better range of 260 at 80% charge and charges at 34 mph vs the BMW 205 in the summer and 170 in below freezing at 80% charge.
The Tesla only loses 5% range in the winter vs 20-25% for the BMW.
I thought I wouldn't like it but I like the yoke wheel a lot.
I drive with my hands at 4 and 8 so it's perfect for me.
I can turn it with 1 finger for parking turn arounds.
I like how turning it over for parking gives you an extra 6 inches clearance to get in and out.
I would have preferred stalks but have got used to the buttons.
I do like the left side scroll wheel volume and next track functions.
The BMW is my winter car now.

 

[Excaliber]

Console.


I added the CF wrap and the clear rubber buttons which are for kitchen cabinet stops.

Dash








3D GPS uses front camera

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[Zer0t]

very nice, I drove the i7 but ended up getting an EQS 580. I like them both but EQS leased a tad cheaper and then Amex had a huge rebate that put it over. iX looked really nice in showroom.

 

[Tiger]

Nice ad:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752712992813117690

Seems to have more legroom than Model X in a 5-seat configuration:

It has a vehicle to life outlet (is this any different from the sockets in ICE cars?), would be great if it can handle power to replace a powerwall.

Interior made from recycled pets

 

[Tiger]

This looks like Audi Q8 Sportback, BMW iX, and GM Celestiq had a baby

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752415103658471759

 

[cptnslo]

This looks like Audi Q8 Sportback, BMW iX, and GM Celestiq had a baby

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752415103658471759

I question that 0-60 BIG TIME. that’s less hp than a model s and only .4 behind on 0-60. Not to mention the weight

 

[NeuroRad]

This looks like Audi Q8 Sportback, BMW iX, and GM Celestiq had a baby

https://twitter.com/x/status/1752415103658471759

This fad about having a billion speakers in the car is absolute nonsense. Especially when automakers use absolute crap speakers to begin with.

 

[terranx]

I question that 0-60 BIG TIME. that’s less hp than a model s and only .4 behind on 0-60. Not to mention the weight

Even in a heavy car, 3.5 seems about right for 600hp

 

[cptnslo]

Even in a heavy car, 3.5 seems about right for 600hp

In drag racing, every hundred pounds equates to roughly 1/10 of a second and the jeep is supposed to weigh in around 65 to 6700 pounds based on a quick Google search and it’s down 70 hp off a base model S the weight alone should be causing a higher 0 to 60 than that

 

[terranx]

In drag racing, every hundred pounds equates to roughly 1/10 of a second and the jeep is supposed to weigh in around 65 to 6700 pounds based on a quick Google search and it’s down 70 hp off a base model S the weight alone should be causing a higher 0 to 60 than that

1) most of those rules of thumb date back to times when 300hp was considered to be a lot

2) you’re assuming the model s makes the full 670hp from the beginning. It doesn’t, in fact it doesn’t appear to reach max power until 60mph or so

 

[Tiger]

In drag racing, every hundred pounds equates to roughly 1/10 of a second and the jeep is supposed to weigh in around 65 to 6700 pounds based on a quick Google search and it’s down 70 hp off a base model S the weight alone should be causing a higher 0 to 60 than that

Might have more torque in the RPM region 0-60. HP does not affect acceleration on electric motors so much since HP is calculated at peak RPM and only ICE motors visit peak RPM frequently during 0-60 launch. Though after watching that link explain how EV HP is calculated, I'm not sure how it compares to ICE HP at all.

 

[Krash]

Might have more torque in the RPM region 0-60. HP does not affect acceleration on electric motors so much since HP is calculated at peak RPM and only ICE motors visit peak RPM frequently during 0-60 launch. Though after watching that link explain how EV HP is calculated, I'm not sure how it compares to ICE HP at all.

Teslas currently have a max torque limit, which creates a nearly linear climb to their max power or max battery limit (whichever is lower) before 60mph. As mentioned earlier in this thread, this torque limit determines 0-60 times before other limits are reached.

On older S and X, the max power limit was set below to motor’s physical limit. But at higher RPMs, backEMF would gradually reduce power at higher RPMs. This is why geared ICE exotics would get killed by early Teslas but then catch them at higher speeds. Later, with plaid’s lower gearing and exotic motor winding there is negligible backEMF and plaid cars just keep pulling away with nearly constant power as RPMs climb.

In 3 and Y, the car’s motor limits are below the battery power limit rather than capped by a max power setting, so the drop off in power from BackEMF is more drastic as speeds increase, without the lower gearing and fancy motor windings.

The graph at the bottom of this post shows the older power model. Imagine the 3 and Y dotted power lines don’t have a flat spot, rather they simply slowly decline after peak. And the plaid power doesn't decline much at all after at higher speeds, so the plaid dotted power line would be nearly flat on the right. Like this…