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Replacement Tires for 19" wheels
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Elon confirmation Oct 2022
Announced as “comfort suspension”
Not in performance edition
More info
www.torquenews.com
Announced as “comfort suspension”
Not in performance edition
More info
The 2023 Model Y Has Comfort Suspension
The 2023 Model Y has the new comfort suspension. This is being added to non performance models 3 and Y without affecting handling.
www.torquenews.com
fiehlsport
Tire Guy
Comfort suspension was a change in the part numbers for the front and rear dampers starting in late '22 for the 2023MY vehicles. Control arm bushings would not affect ride quality significantly in the way that it relates to this thread - they are responsible for the positioning of the control arm, not bearing any vertical load of the vehicle.
This is based on youtuber's feelings. I've seen his videos but I was hoping on finding out more from some sort of more reliable source.Elon confirmation Oct 2022
Announced as “comfort suspension”
Not in performance edition
More info
The 2023 Model Y Has Comfort Suspension
The 2023 Model Y has the new comfort suspension. This is being added to non performance models 3 and Y without affecting handling.
Jigglypuff
Member
Generally, forums half the highest ratio of truth to lies when it comes to the nitty gritty details of cars. YouTube and reddit are the worst.
fiehlsport
Tire Guy
Yes, the 2023 Performance also received revised dampers that are softer. 2022 MYP rides slightly harder - I have driven both back to back. Zevcentric also posted a YouTube video with the struts on the bench to show how the newest 2023 shocks are more compliant.
Jigglypuff
Member
The Model Y suspension is mostly transplanted Model 3 suspension, which is a terrible mistake. Outside a narrow range of movement, the suspension angles get all out of sorts. Thus, when hitting a bump midcorner, the car gets dangerously unsettled. Stiffening the springs and damping keeps the suspension within a range that works well, but has other side effects on ride. I'm satisfied with the tradeoff if not the overall product. Teslas are built as cheaply as possible and it shows.
17,000-mile update comparing OEM tire vs Pirelli P7 AS+ 3 vs DWS06+. Each set of tires was installed in August of 2021, 2022, and 2023 respectively and driven until the following Spring. This helps normalize results across similar commutes, weather, and temperatures.
8/8/2021 - Took delivery of Model Y with OEM Continental ProContact RX. By 6/1/2022, we drove 17,016 miles and averaged 252 Wh/m.
8/13/2022 - Replaced OEM tires at 21,666 with Pirelli P7 AS+ 3. As of 5/20/2023, we drove 17,048 miles on this set and averaged 267 Wh/m (efficiency loss of 6% vs OEM tire).
8/16/2023 - Replaced Pirellis at 20,269 with Continental DWS06+. As of 4/17/2024, we drove 17,011 miles and averaged 271 Wh/m (efficiency loss of 7.5% vs OEM tire).
The DWS06+ is a great tire -- more grip, quieter, smoother ride, and barely an efficiency hit compared to the Grand Touring Pirelli P7 AS+ 3. Although the DWS06+ has been the best overall tire out of the three, there are times I wish it had more dry grip. I feel like I can take turns and highway clovers faster in our 2006 ES 330 sedan, with its squishy Lexus suspension and thin Michelin Premiers, than I can in the Model Y. The Model Y sits higher but I thought it would be balanced by the lower center of gravity and stiffer suspension around curves. Instead, it seems the old Lexus has a better weight distribution and is easier to keep up the speed through a turn. This is the only reason I might try the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4 next round just for comparison against the DWS06+.
8/8/2021 - Took delivery of Model Y with OEM Continental ProContact RX. By 6/1/2022, we drove 17,016 miles and averaged 252 Wh/m.
8/13/2022 - Replaced OEM tires at 21,666 with Pirelli P7 AS+ 3. As of 5/20/2023, we drove 17,048 miles on this set and averaged 267 Wh/m (efficiency loss of 6% vs OEM tire).
8/16/2023 - Replaced Pirellis at 20,269 with Continental DWS06+. As of 4/17/2024, we drove 17,011 miles and averaged 271 Wh/m (efficiency loss of 7.5% vs OEM tire).
The DWS06+ is a great tire -- more grip, quieter, smoother ride, and barely an efficiency hit compared to the Grand Touring Pirelli P7 AS+ 3. Although the DWS06+ has been the best overall tire out of the three, there are times I wish it had more dry grip. I feel like I can take turns and highway clovers faster in our 2006 ES 330 sedan, with its squishy Lexus suspension and thin Michelin Premiers, than I can in the Model Y. The Model Y sits higher but I thought it would be balanced by the lower center of gravity and stiffer suspension around curves. Instead, it seems the old Lexus has a better weight distribution and is easier to keep up the speed through a turn. This is the only reason I might try the Michelin Pilot Sport AS 4 next round just for comparison against the DWS06+.
the Lexus is 2 wheel, RWD.
the Model Y is 4 wheel, AWD. It's gonna understeer more when pushed into a corner.
Occhis
Member
MY only engages front motor under heavy acceleration or when the rear wheels start to slip, otherwise it’s a rear wheel drive car.
Jigglypuff
Member
I think the main factor in wear is the right foot. Bear with me...
My current car has the same kerb weight as a MY. It has an abundance of power if you hoof it. Yet I can get 50k miles from 4 tyres only hoofing it when necessary. This is often carrying a full load of passengers and luggage. In my case power goes to the front and the back is brought in for high torque. Tyre rotations for the win.
So the only real difference I see is how often and how much of the natural abundance of a stupid amount of torque gets applied.
We will see how I go on a 5 set of 19" Cooper Pro Control soon enough, unless plans change.
My current car has the same kerb weight as a MY. It has an abundance of power if you hoof it. Yet I can get 50k miles from 4 tyres only hoofing it when necessary. This is often carrying a full load of passengers and luggage. In my case power goes to the front and the back is brought in for high torque. Tyre rotations for the win.
So the only real difference I see is how often and how much of the natural abundance of a stupid amount of torque gets applied.
We will see how I go on a 5 set of 19" Cooper Pro Control soon enough, unless plans change.
Just had another tire rotation and tech said detected uneven wear on every tire, 5/32nds inside of each tire vs 7/32nds on the outer edges. This may explain why I feel the DWS06+ isn't gripping as well as expected through turns.
I had an alignment done when the tires were new and am a little confused why alignment is so off after just 18K miles. America's Tire did a free alignment inspection and now offers alignment services for $200. Maybe I should look to see if our city has Firestone lifetime alignment services.
I had an alignment done when the tires were new and am a little confused why alignment is so off after just 18K miles. America's Tire did a free alignment inspection and now offers alignment services for $200. Maybe I should look to see if our city has Firestone lifetime alignment services.
That will indeed be welcomed, although I didn't think the range was bad to begin with for an ultra-high performance tire (-7.5% vs OEM tire). A slight improvement in Wh/m will bring the DWS06+ on par with the grand touring Pirelli P7 AS+ 3. Ultimately I'd like more balanced grip and handling after the alignment is fixed. I have an appointment at Firestone on Monday and will get the lifetime alignment option -- $229 up front, then additional $49 for each service.
I've read some negative reviews about Firestone alignment but feel comfortable going to the nearby El Dorado Hills location. That area is more affluent with lots of Teslas, Rivians, and a few Lucids on the road. I am sure if Firestone provided poor service it would definitely be reflected in their rating at that location, but fortunately reviews are overwhelmingly positive. I called four different Firestone locations and the El Dorado Hills shop had the most courteous, helpful, and knowledgeable staff so that is encouraging.
I replaced my OEM tires at 22k miles (with 4/32" tread). My taller (255/50r19) quatrac pro tires have 46k miles so far and still have enough tread to make it to next winter.
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