Biden team response to the question was the appropriate one: not to discuss possible reactions in the event of a nuke.
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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X Fan
Active Member
Agreed and given Macron’s actions to date his comments don’t surprise me. If Paris was bombed or had fallout would he be so sanguine?
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
The world needs to cage the (already existing) nuclear weapons into a defensive use only for a mutually assured destruction scenario as this is the best possible way to prevent them from ever being used (short of destroying them).
The best way to accomplish this is for every other actor to make it perfectly clear that any party that uses "tactical" nuclear weapons, or any other concept of limited use, will be financially and physically isolated. Think N. Korea without China or Russia. This is the coalition that I hope we are building. Europe, US, China, India, Saudis and the like may never agree on anything apart from this but we should be able to agree on this one point. It is a shame there is not a United body of Nations that existed to do such things.
The best way to accomplish this is for every other actor to make it perfectly clear that any party that uses "tactical" nuclear weapons, or any other concept of limited use, will be financially and physically isolated. Think N. Korea without China or Russia. This is the coalition that I hope we are building. Europe, US, China, India, Saudis and the like may never agree on anything apart from this but we should be able to agree on this one point. It is a shame there is not a United body of Nations that existed to do such things.
If Paris was bombed, the issue would be completely different because Article 5 would be invoked. he was commenting on something happening to a country that is not a NATO member, though France is supporting them in the war.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
Russia’s FSB arrests 8 and blames Ukraine for Crimea bridge blast
The federal security service FSB offered its version of events leading to the explosion on the Kerch Bridge, which dealt a strategic and symbolic blow to the Kremlin.
www.nbcnews.com
KBF
Model X owner (formerly Cdn Signature Model S)
Yup. And besides, a nuclear response isn't required if NATO wanted to completely destroy Russia's military assets. Conventional weapons can be extremely destructive without the fallout...
NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said on Oct. 13 that the Alliance will promptly provide Ukraine with hundreds of drone jamming devices to help neutralize the effectiveness of Russia's drones and protect the Ukrainian population and infrastructure.
Stoltenberg: NATO to send drone jamming devices to Ukraine
France begins sending gas to Germany in ‘act of EU solidarity’
France has started sending natural gas to Germany as part of its pledge to ensure EU energy solidarity as Russia reduces exports after its invasion of Ukraine, the French network operator said on Thursday.
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Merkel says no regrets over Germany’s Russia gas deals
Former chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday she did not regret taking on Russia as a major gas supplier for Germany during her 16 years in office.
France has started sending natural gas to Germany as part of its pledge to ensure EU energy solidarity as Russia reduces exports after its invasion of Ukraine, the French network operator said on Thursday.
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Merkel says no regrets over Germany’s Russia gas deals
Former chancellor Angela Merkel said Thursday she did not regret taking on Russia as a major gas supplier for Germany during her 16 years in office.
petit_bateau
Active Member
Shocking that Merkel doesn't want her legacy to be that of making Germany vastly over-dependant on the energy resources of a malignant autocrat. She still looks pretty good standing next to Schroeder.
Things may be moving in northern Luhansk
Lots of the open source guys have been reporting it all day. Defmon3, NLWartracker, and their colleagues. UKR have pushed within 8km of svatove and are pushing from east, southeast and northeast. They have also captured towns north of Svatove closer to Russian border. The massing of supplies and such just east of Kup sp? was noticed by the same russians that noticed the Izium buildup. Svatove being key because it's really the only good route to Starbolisk which allows a deep encirclement of Luansk and cuts all the north south logistic routes in Luhansk. It's also the site of Lapins HQ (used to be), etc etc. Starbolisk is the real goal or at least a strategic interest that, if threatened, forces a response and it is mostly undefended. Moving around Svatove is not simplistic but easy enough compared to the other challenges they've faced. Weather works with them for the next week. If they move to encircle Starbolisk then the entire force structure in Luhansk is threatened and it's time to abandon most of the province or face a real encirclement, a catastrophic one. If they do deal with Svatove then ..I think.. guessing here. It's time to hurry to Starbolisk, a week to regroup then hit again. Not sure what minefields they've setup in Starbolisk but all the town could be in 155mm range within hours of Svatove falling or being bypassed.
We know Russia setup artillery batteries between the two towns in the forests, that's been passed on already by the open source folks. Tomorrow could see significant uptick in artillery duels.
We know Russia setup artillery batteries between the two towns in the forests, that's been passed on already by the open source folks. Tomorrow could see significant uptick in artillery duels.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
There's a lot strange info regarding the war being posted today where observers are saying that the Ukrainian advance has slowed because they have to wait for the Russians to abandon their vehicles, run away from the front and tell other Russians to abandon their vehicles and run away. It seems like a massive relay race in reverse.
In case you didn't click on the last panel in the link, it's interesting.
So it's just the lazy slow Russians who get encircled and captured?
As reported before Russia kidnap children and "lied to them that they weren’t wanted by their parents"...
apnews.com
How Moscow grabs Ukrainian kids and makes them Russians
Olga Lopatkina paced around her basement in circles like a trapped animal. For more than a week, the Ukrainian mother had heard nothing from her six adopted children stranded in Mariupol , and she was going out of her mind with worry.
apnews.com
petit_bateau
Active Member
There is a disconnect between the info you relay and the latest mapset from one of them. (I agree with your assessment of objectives mind you.)
Invasion Day 232 – Summary
The summary of the situation of Russian re-invasion to Ukraine covering the last 48 hours, as of 13th October 2022 – 22:00 (Kyiv time). Briefly: Ukrainian Army liberated a settlement on the border of…
militaryland.net
