petit_bateau
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Hungary got the message, though the vote won't be until December probably. Only Turkey left ..........
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Russia/Ukraine conflict
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I saw it on Nexta (Twitter). I was wracking my brain remembering the story with a bunch of the rest of you.
I believe the Republicans have said they will stop aid to Ukraine if they win.
If the army is ground to dust and they are unable to rebuild because they still can't get the parts, they won't be able to do anything like this again.
The Democrats still have a conservative and liberal wing. The same Senate caucus has Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders on one end and Joe Manchin and Kristen Sinema on the other. There are also less radical liberals and conservatives in the caucus like Jon Tester from Montana who is conservative, but less controversial.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
I heard something about a committee being set up to monitor and fully account for where the money is going.
Which would be lovely. There needs to be total audits of any and all aid approved by Congress.
Back in June Pentagon Press Release: Romania Arrival
"Army soldiers assigned to the 101st Airborne Division arrive in Mihail Kogalniceanu, Romania, Jun. 28, 2022. Units from the 101st will support the Army’s V Corps' mission to reinforce NATO's eastern flank and engage in multinational exercises with partners across Europe to reassure allies and deter further Russian aggression. "
Now they do more press -- in a Blackhawk right to the border:
"Army soldiers assigned to the 101st Airborne Division arrive in Mihail Kogalniceanu, Romania, Jun. 28, 2022. Units from the 101st will support the Army’s V Corps' mission to reinforce NATO's eastern flank and engage in multinational exercises with partners across Europe to reassure allies and deter further Russian aggression. "
Now they do more press -- in a Blackhawk right to the border:
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A fascinating thread (started in Feb but recently come back to life) collecting a wide variety of people saying NATO expansion was a bad idea.
The problem was, it was only a bad idea because Russia was so insecure. NATO and its new additions of course had no ambitions to invade Russia but only wanted protection from Russian invasion. But I guess Russia didn't / wouldn't see it that way.
The thread poster then also asks other for additions to the list and there are a bunch. The best item in the thread is after a persuasive inventory of fancy CIA, Defense and diplomats advising against NATO expansion, some rando shares his 1996 senior thesis which amazingly said:
I would share that the above thread came back to life recently when 3L0N tweeted it, but some mod would delete my post because it mentioned the unmentionable so I won't.
The problem was, it was only a bad idea because Russia was so insecure. NATO and its new additions of course had no ambitions to invade Russia but only wanted protection from Russian invasion. But I guess Russia didn't / wouldn't see it that way.
The thread poster then also asks other for additions to the list and there are a bunch. The best item in the thread is after a persuasive inventory of fancy CIA, Defense and diplomats advising against NATO expansion, some rando shares his 1996 senior thesis which amazingly said:
I would share that the above thread came back to life recently when 3L0N tweeted it, but some mod would delete my post because it mentioned the unmentionable so I won't.
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New Russian commander and Putin
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
I just watched that clip before coming here. This has to be Putin's biggest nightmare.
One thing the eastern expansion of NATO critics miss is the reason Poland joined NATO was Poland gave NATO an ultimatum: put us under the western nuclear umbrella or we'll make our own. Other eastern countries joined around that time, but Poland forced the issue.
Echoes of 1917. That didn't turn out well for the Czar...
"Reportedly, Russia traded more than 60 Su-35 to Iran in exchange for several thousand drones that they are now using to terrorize Ukrainian civilians and disabling elements of Ukrainian critical infrastructure."
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www.defensenews.com
Russia’s military aircraft exports are headed for a nosedive
The military reputation of the Russian Aerospace Forces has been badly tarnished — and that is rubbing off on the aircraft.
www.defensenews.com
petit_bateau
Active Member
Bad behaviour is nothing new
www.theguardian.com
Unseen and underhand: Putin’s hidden hybrid war is trying to break Europe’s heart
From Norwegian pipelines to French ocean floor cables, vital infrastructure is vulnerable to Russian attacks designed to destabilise Europe
www.theguardian.com
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
"Reportedly, Russia traded more than 60 Su-35 to Iran in exchange for several thousand drones that they are now using to terrorize Ukrainian civilians and disabling elements of Ukrainian critical infrastructure."
Russia’s military aircraft exports are headed for a nosedive
The military reputation of the Russian Aerospace Forces has been badly tarnished — and that is rubbing off on the aircraft.
That's 40% of Russia's total lifetime production run of the SU-35. They don't have a more modern fighter in production to replace these ones sent to Iran. And NATO is going to deal with the threat from those low-cost, low-tech Iranian drones soon enough. Russia is giving away the milk cow for a handful of magic beans. They must be desparate. If I lived in Kherson, I'd be sleeping with my rubber boots on.
Why haven’t we already “deleted” the Iranian drone factory? Surely we have that capability.
lolachampcar
Well-Known Member
and people in the US ask why we support Israel.
That's not a great deal even allowing for the poor reputation of the SU 35"Reportedly, Russia traded more than 60 Su-35 to Iran in exchange for several thousand drones that they are now using to terrorize Ukrainian civilians and disabling elements of Ukrainian critical infrastructure."
Russia’s military aircraft exports are headed for a nosedive
The military reputation of the Russian Aerospace Forces has been badly tarnished — and that is rubbing off on the aircraft.
No wonder he's giving them weapons that don't work.
I'd hazard a guess that the mobilised aren't getting any live fire training now. That's if they get any training at all.
bkp_duke
Well-Known Member
Shoigu has spent his Sunday phoning up anyone who will listen to his BS story about Ukraine using a 'dirty bomb':
www.pravda.com.ua
But it's reassuring to know they were "professional and respectful" throughout the call. We wouldn't be able to put up with any amateurish or disrespectful behaviour by the Russians now, would we?
www.gov.uk
Shoigu calls UK Defence Secretary for the first time and tells him about âdirty bombâ
EUROPEAN PRAVDA – SUNDAY, 23 OCTOBER 2022, 17:26
www.pravda.com.ua
But it's reassuring to know they were "professional and respectful" throughout the call. We wouldn't be able to put up with any amateurish or disrespectful behaviour by the Russians now, would we?
Statement on Defence Secretary's call with Russian Defence Minister
Statement on Defence Secretary Ben Wallace's call with the Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu.
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CLK350
Member
Interesting perspective from one of the most "independent" observers of our political scene, interviewed by long time fan of Elon* Lex Friedman who has now (like Elon) drifted into politics.
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(*) Especially for those not familiar with Lex Friedman: Lex first interview, actually #18 of Elon
His intro course on AI at MIT (he's since left academics and moved to Austin) - see his interviews with other AI top scientists too
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(*) Especially for those not familiar with Lex Friedman: Lex first interview, actually #18 of Elon
His intro course on AI at MIT (he's since left academics and moved to Austin) - see his interviews with other AI top scientists too
